Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[Nemy]

How did I miss your point? You posted a picture of a crappy Atari game when I mentioned realistic movements and how they shouldn't factor into your enjoyment of a game. I still don't understand how that should make a game not fun to you, which is why I gave an example afterward. That game is just bad, the animation has nothing to do with it.

And it's funny how you bring up Zelda into this. Notice how Zelda II: The Adventures of Link has "better graphics" than The Legend of Zelda, yet it's generally seen as the worse game? That's because it took a great departure from the original and people weren't a fan. It had NOTHING to do with the graphics/animations (which were both better in the sequel, in case you were wondering). The gameplay is the factor in those.

Ocarina of Time was the first 3D Zelda game, and at the time, it was incredible. Every 3D Zelda since then has followed the same formula, but changed some things to fit into it's story (like no horse in Wind Waker). In the many times I've played Wind Waker (my favorite), I can't recall a single time I just suddenly stopped having any fun at all, because of the way Link didn't react to something a certain way, or the way he moved. I was too busy having fun playing the game.

Everything you say, is absolutely 100% pointless, since we both agree that 1 single factor is not going to determine if a game is good or bad.

If you had 2 absolutely identical games, except one of them had amazing graphics and animation, the game with the amazing graphics and animation would be the better game because...

It's a factor.

[Zaireeka2025]

Some people did...






the whistle animation for chocobo was also missing in the version at Gamescom.. and now was inside the game afterwards.

what does it tell us? its work in progress, as they mentioned also hundred times "we are sorry to show an early version like that, first we did not wanted to show it (better for them they did)" i am sure that you will get back your "stop walking" animation and more details while running.


its so obvious that these are unfinished animations, like others are just spaceholders or not inside yet.. (like calling your chocobo which is inside now). i play MMorpgs since 2001 and have seen so many alphaversions or even pre-alpha.


Dark Age of Camelot as an example... Alpha/pre-alpha status (mostly for concepts and gameplay design):


that what it looked like at release:


FFXIV ARR is a complete rebuilt of the game with a new engine and some new animations.

are you really thinking that the team for animations is sleeping till beta phase?
the game is not even in alpha testing phase yet.
people will have the chance to give feedback in alpha and beta as well.


there was even no chocobo animation in the very early phase at gamescom.
So calm down. Its okay if you are worried about it. but i am really sure these animations are not finished yet (as they said many things are in early phase). so go ahead and give your feedback. first of all i disliked the headline very much "ARR = downgrade" which is a slap into the developers faces for investing so much time in redesigning the whole game (Gridania etc.)

i respec their hard work and i am graceful for that.

Trying to keep up with this thread is hard...

Tonkra, after reading all your raging posts, finally you've seemed to calm down. It's too bad that they already stated that the start/stop/lean animations are deliberately taken out. So you're tired claim of "it's pre-alpha" (which has been stated a million times in this thread already) does not apply. When SE says they are taken out, that literally means they chose to keep them out permanently. Unless they state otherwise, its safe to assume that they aren't going to be in the final product either, since it was a conscious decision on their part. I know you really want to win an argument here, but you're in the wrong thread.

Also, I agree that the title of this thread is misleading and too general. Nemy has already stated that it was a mistake naming the thread as it is because she doesn't believe ARR to be a complete downgrade. Many of us core posters who have followed this thread from inception agree that ARR is gorgeous and we appreciate the hard work SE has put into the game, but that the animations for stop/start look incomplete compared to what we are used to after playing FFXIV 1.xx, as well as other new MMO's like Guild Wars 2.

[KiriA500]

Everything you say, is absolutely 100% pointless, since we both agree that 1 single factor is not going to determine if a game is good or bad.

If you had 2 absolutely identical games, except one of them had amazing graphics and animation, the game with the amazing graphics and animation would be the better game because...

It's a factor.

Absolutely identical, yet they're completely different? Just stop.

I'm not saying this to be mean, but you should probably stop playing this game...you clearly aren't enjoying it. If you can overlook everything else being added in the game because of this one thing, you've already made up your mind that you won't like A Realm Reborn, and never will. Every single thing from this point on will just cause more spite in you, causing you to become more upset about a game you're supposed to play for fun (or animations).

[Starlord]

Absolutely identical, yet they're completely different? Just stop.

I'm not saying this to be mean, but you should probably stop playing this game...you clearly aren't enjoying it. If you can overlook everything else being added in the game because of this one thing, you've already made up your mind that you won't like A Realm Reborn, and never will. Every single thing from this point on will just cause more spite in you, causing you to become more upset about a game you're supposed to play for fun (or animations).

She thinks anyone that's even a 1% against, She will be YOUR 100% WRONG, ITS MY OPINION OR THE HIGHWAY! Come to think of it.. I haven't seen her post outside this thread ( At least for the longest time).

[Nemy]

Absolutely identical, yet they're completely different?

So are you stating that if we had 2 games otherwise absolutely identical, but one of them had amazing graphics and animation, and the other one had crappy outdated textures and stiff animation, they would be 2 completely different games?

Well, i wouldn't go that far, but thanks for proving my point.

Graphics and animation are a factor. Even this thread is proof of this. How much of a factor? Well, that's subjective.

I'm not saying this to be mean, but you should probably stop playing this game...

I'm not saying this to be mean, but i think you drop the subject because you've reached a wall of logic.

I'm enjoying this game, but somehow i value animations more than you. That's all. The rest, including what i'm going to do with ARR are completely irrelevant.

Just a hint : If i wasn't insanely interested about ARR and the future of FFXIV, i wouldn't bother making this thread and trying to communicate my (or our) views to the developers.

[Aion]

are we talking about inertia movement or whole animation? please keep in topic

[Nemy]

She thinks anyone that's even a 1% against, She will be YOUR 100% WRONG, ITS MY OPINION OR THE HIGHWAY! Come to think of it.. I haven't seen her post outside this thread ( At least for the longest time).

I really can't respond to this as i should in a different environment, because i don't want this thread to be locked.

All i will say is that you're truly sad at this point. You lie about me on a personal level, you refuse to provide proof of those accusations, you blacklist me, (or at least say you did) and then you continue to talk this way about me, without even addressing me.

Really, really low.

[Elexia]

I really can't respond to this as i should in a different environment, because i don't want this thread to be locked.

All i will say is that you're truly sad at this point. You lie about me on a personal level, you refuse to provide proof of those accusations, you blacklist me, (or at least say you did) and then you continue to talk this way about me, without even addressing me.

Really, really low.

I'll agree, talking about someone you've blisted is really low, even lower than politicians and they're pretty scummy.

[IveraIvalice]

ok cool so about those animations

[IveraIvalice]

is anyone where still saying that they dont want the animations that were cut from the game to come back?