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  1. #221
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    Levels and gear seperate is silly.
    Yes, there should be gear thats good for PvP and gear thats good for PvE, but why should you have to entirely level up your character again for PvP? that's just silly.
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  2. #222
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mijin View Post
    My problem with pvp or any other unnecessary thing in MMO's is:

    Why would I waste my playtime doing something that doesn't involve progression for my character?

    Pvp wont, and should not, have any rewards that effect your characters development. As such pvping is a waste of time. I understand that some people are casual, and they just want to goof around. For me I want to make the most of my playtime to make my character better, and that's my fun.
    That's because your mentality is 100% anti-PvP so your sense of progression is different than that of an avid PvPer's.

    PvP should effect character development, because there is nothing out there that says PvP has to affect PvE character development. A person that does PvE content does it in the end to fight harder content and so forth until they reach the end. An avid PvPer would do PvP content to progress in PvP until they are at the top where the battles require the most amount of skill to fight in. Two different types of progression, creating two different times of mentalities.

    There's nothing wrong with not enjoying one or the other, however to stuff up your own as the absolute is not accomplishing anything. Some people prefer fighting a target with the most advanced AI possible (the human brain) and some people prefer fighting a target that, while it isn't as smart, it overpowers you by far so it requires extensive planning to take down. It has nothing to do with casuals wanting to goof around and fight each other.
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  3. #223
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yucie View Post
    PvP does not bring balance to an MMO environment where PvE is the largest focus of the game.
    I'm not saying PvP brings balance, what I'm saying is that the current system is unbalance right now, and they're making adjustments for it.

    Time to adapt, resistance is futile
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    Last edited by Andrien; 09-10-2012 at 07:55 AM.

  4. #224
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawiichan View Post
    That's because your mentality is 100% anti-PvP so your sense of progression is different than that of an avid PvPer's.

    PvP should effect character development, because there is nothing out there that says PvP has to affect PvE character development. A person that does PvE content does it in the end to fight harder content and so forth until they reach the end. An avid PvPer would do PvP content to progress in PvP until they are at the top where the battles require the most amount of skill to fight in. Two different types of progression, creating two different times of mentalities.

    There's nothing wrong with not enjoying one or the other, however to stuff up your own as the absolute is not accomplishing anything. Some people prefer fighting a target with the most advanced AI possible (the human brain) and some people prefer fighting a target that, while it isn't as smart, it overpowers you by far so it requires extensive planning to take down. It has nothing to do with casuals wanting to goof around and fight each other.
    My point was that in order to be the best at either you have to devote all your time to one or the other.
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    Last edited by Mijin; 09-10-2012 at 08:07 AM.

  5. #225
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    I'll participate, as an aside. I do enjoy to play it every now and then to pass time if nothing else is going on. (Especially if I don't have the time to due any major leveling) However, it wont be my main focus.
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  6. #226
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mijin View Post
    My point was that in order to be the best at either you have to devote all your time to one or the other.
    He is just bias, I don't hate PvP but I don't sympathy for hard core PvPers coming from other MMOs deeming it politically-correct to have PvP as the norm for player progression.

    I would rather have teamwork in either PvE or PvP so credit is not individualized.
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  7. #227
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    Quote Originally Posted by PSxpert2011 View Post
    He is just bias, I don't hate PvP but I don't sympathy for hard core PvPers coming from other MMOs deeming it politically-correct to have PvP as the norm for player progression.

    I would rather have teamwork in either PvE or PvP so credit is not individualized.
    While I'm obviously biased I don't think it affects the credibility of that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mijin View Post
    My point was that in order to be the best at either you have to devote all your time to one or the other.
    While I'm obviously biased I don't think it affects the credibility of that statement.
    -100% FALSE. Just stick to PvE. 'Nuff said. As long as pvp is implemented correctly it can become a huge community. I wouldn't call sitting around hitting SPACEBAR a good alternative to PvE.. which is what "crafting" is. The question everyone really needs to ask is not "will you pvp?" but "how will pvp be implimented?" which there rly isnt anything to speculate about until we see the changes, this whole topic is premature.

    - Most of you probably suck at PvP anyway, leave it to those of us who know how to handle it.

    Edit: My major concern is, with them releasing on PS3 platform that obviously leaves control mechanics upto gamepad, which limits keybinds, movement, etc. So idk.. this will be interesting.
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    Last edited by Mujen; 09-10-2012 at 10:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mujen View Post

    Edit: My major concern is, with them releasing on PS3 platform that obviously leaves control mechanics upto gamepad, which limits keybinds, movement, etc. So idk.. this will be interesting.
    I'm worried as well that PvP will be dumbed down because of console users. Just like most (if not all) FPS are now retarded skill wise thanks to Xbox/PS3 players. I hardly see any proper and interesting large scale PvP content coming with people playing with a controller.
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    A resounding no, I have no interest in PvP. I don't love Final Fantasy for the PvP.......................................................
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