Seems like alot of people want this game to become Free 2 Play. >.>

[Starlord]

More like get his posting privelages suspended.

Yep and not only that it just tick people off even more by "personally" insulting them. No Civilized talking allowed right? XD.

[Keisuna]

Yes, but people still left. It couldn't justify it's price to some people. When you now compare active subscribers to other MMO's you see a chunk of players it could have had if maybe it were still free.

They were getting access to all game content for free, though. That's not the same as a free to play model by a longshot.

[Keisuna]

I'm not attacking his argument with the fact that he's stupid, just his person. I'd suggest you learn the definition of an ad hominem before you accuse me for using one.

My mistake, yours is an ad hominem fallacy in reverse. There should be a proper fallacy for arguments like "you are wrong, and therefore stupid". We could call it the "Ingolf fallacy".

[Ingolf]

Yep and not only that it just tick people off even more by "personally" insulting them. No Civilized talking allowed right? XD.

I just think you're a bad representative of this community. I get on with most people, but you're just past the line of my tolerance.

I mean I haven't blocked someone on these forums before, but it's almost at that point. I think a lot of people can be a bit silly, but you're the only flat out stupid person here. It hurts me deep in my heart that I might have to actually block you so my blood pressure goes down a few notches.

[Ingolf]

My mistake, yours is an ad hominem fallacy in reverse. There should be a proper fallacy for arguments like "you are wrong, and therefore stupid". We could call it the "Ingolf fallacy".

Well it's not a fallacy at all. If it was a fallacy there would be some logical discrepancies.

Me calling someone stupid for no reason isn't a fallacy, it's an opinion.

I know that you're trying to use "logical fallacy" and "Ad hominem" because you heard them as buzzwords somewhere, but it's not a good gambit when you don't understand what they are.

He's not wrong necessarily. Just stupid.

[Starlord]

I mean I haven't blocked someone on these forums before

You'll do me a favor then ^.^

P.S Your the 2nd Rudest person on these forums, the 1st shall not be named.

P.S.S If your Blood boils over 1 person, then you have anger issues x.x. I'm sorry I make you feel that way, but I'm not changing who I am, so if blocking me helps with your cause then by all means.

However, I don't go around and insulting people left and right because someone "Doesn't" agree with you. If anyone's blood should be boiling its me ( and it was when you keep repeating-ly calling me stupid). But I don't because this is the internet after all, so I just Laugh it off and move on.

[Keisuna]

Well it's not a fallacy at all. If it was a fallacy there would be some logical discrepancies.

Me calling someone stupid for no reason isn't a fallacy, it's an opinion.

I know that you're trying to use "logical fallacy" and "Ad hominem" because you heard them as buzzwords somewhere, but it's not a good gambit when you don't understand what they are.

He's not wrong necessarily. Just stupid.

1) Yes, it is a fallacy. Whether someone is wrong on a subject or not isn't a broad indication of their intelligence.

2) Fallacies and opinions are not mutually exclusive. Please stop pretending they are.

3) You just assumed that since I mislabeled your opinion as an argument ad hominem that I heard it as a 'buzzword' somewhere, implying that I don't really understand what logical fallacies are. Certainly sounds like another Ingolf fallacy to me.

[Ingolf]

1) Yes, it is a fallacy. Whether someone is wrong on a subject or not isn't a broad indication of their intelligence.

2) Fallacies and opinions are not mutually exclusive. Please stop pretending they are.

3) You just assumed that since I mislabeled your opinion as an argument ad hominem that I heard it as a 'buzzword' somewhere, implying that I don't really understand what logical fallacies are. Certainly sounds like another Ingolf fallacy to me.

1. I wasn't calling him stupid based on the fact that he was incorrect on this subject, it's through lurking these forums and seeing the things he spews out regularly.

2. They are not mutually exclusive, but the opinion that "You are stupid" after seeing him post idiotically time and time again is not a logical fallacy.

3. It was an educated guess. This post further cements my initial argument too.

[Kiote]

The problem with free to play models is inherent to the design model that has to be implemented to continue supporting the game. Inevitably people will get bored with the items that are available inside the games store. This requires the designed to come up with a constant stream of new Items to fill the void.

Unfortunately, purely cosmetic items fail to fill this void. Players will ultimately have the look they want and new cosmetic items will not move them to give addition money to the company. So naturally the design team must start implementing items that allow some level of assistance to the user.

The problem here being, they cannot make those Items powerful enough to have a significant impact on game play or risk falling in to the trap of becoming Pay to Win. Players rather quickly recognize the fairly uselessness of these items and stop paying for them.

This pushes the team to come up with a way to make a large series of advancement types that take excessively long amounts of time, just so they can implement items to speed up that process. Which of course leads to things like achievement accelerators, trivializing any sense of achievement.

When all these sources of income become essentially useless, the team must begin to increase the rate at which content is release and require users to buy access to new regions quests and new dungeons. Development speed must be rapidly increased while the costs have to reduced.

This significantly impacts the quality of content, art, and all other aspects of development suffers.

[Starlord]

1. I wasn't calling him stupid based on the fact that he was incorrect on this subject, it's through lurking these forums and seeing the things he spews out regularly.

2. They are not mutually exclusive, but the opinion that "You are stupid" after seeing him post idiotically time and time again is not a logical fallacy.

3. It was an educated guess. This post further cements my initial argument too.

Lol you go as low as putting that as part of your sig, lol you are one strange man x.x.

Edit: And that right there just furthers my point on how you are beyond rude on these forums.

1) Just like the things you spew out regularly? Personal attacks must turn you on or something >.>.