Tanaka or Yoshi?

[gifthorse]

I'm not sure 100% sure who i'm for as of now. I'm disappointed about AA but since I don't know how its going to be implemented I can't be too upset yet. I'm holding my decision for when I see what he does with the armory system with the addition of jobs. If he completes it then I will be on Yoshi side. However, if he chooses to go to a WoW "tree" route then I will always have that 'What If" and think Tanaka should have stayed.

The Armory System is the main reason I have faith in this game. If it is destroyed or becomes a clone then I will move on to the next. Tanaka did a great job with the system as it is now but it feels like it's halfway done(like most other features).

This "what if" question is the biggest wonder of mine. Even if Yoshi makes a half-decent MMO out of FFXIV by doing what he thinks is salvaging it, I can't help but wonder if Tanaka would have been able to make a better than half-decent MMO just by sticking to the original vision. You know?

[Neptune]

This "what if" question is the biggest wonder of mine. Even if Yoshi makes a half-decent MMO out of FFXIV by doing what he thinks is salvaging it, I can't help but wonder if Tanaka would have been able to make a better than half-decent MMO just by sticking to the original vision. You know?

Yeah I am wondering that too. I know Tanaka would have made a good game eventually.. the only question is was his head stuck in the sand so far that the basic problems we're seeing addressed right now would have gone unaddressed?

I think what I've decided from reading this thread is that Tanaka = vision but bad manager, Yoshida = great manager. I do like the idea of them working together. I wish Tanaka would be in charge of content development or something with Yoshida having the final say in relating that content to gamers.

[Ilean]

Tanaka had his chance and blew it.


Stop spamming with these petty threads.

[Zenaku]

Tanaka had his chance and blew it.


Stop spamming with these petty threads.

If you read you would have new the reason FFXIV fail was because the CEO hurry up the team. So yes Tanaka fail only because he did not have enough time.

[darkstarpoet1]

give me back tanaka big time. i believe tanaka was rushed. anyone that played this game more than a few minutes could tell this game was not release ready by any stretch.

i'm sorry but did none of the big wigs see any of the beta feedback? did tanaka hide it from them and keep it hidden trying make this game fail? was he an undercover agent from another company trying to sabotage se?

the answer is, no, i can bet anything they knew how bad it was before it was released and said well we are going to release it anyway because it needs to get on the market now. people will love it because it has final fantasy on the title. they knew if it was ok when it hit the shelves and people accepted it they could finish letting tanaka make the game the way it was going. the problem was it tanked so tanaka became the fall guy because they could say we didn't know it is this bad.

can you honestly say if you are a higher up in a company that produces games you have no clue of what condition the product is in before you sign off on it being released? i would have been over his shoulder everyday checking on the condition of the game and seeing what progress is made. this is especially true if i looked at the beta testers feedback and seen how horribly it was received. can you say you would have never even checked the beta feedback to see what those people thought about it?

i don't know if tanaka would have made a hit out of this game or not, but i liked the direction alot better than we have now. aggro icons, ! over npc heads, horrid side quests, 4 foot tall rats, and auto-attack are the ideas yoshi has instituted in the game since he has been here. are these the kind of fixes we think will make the game better?

sure being able to start a battle and go into active mode then go grab coffee while auto attack beats the mob is exactly what this game needs. we now have our own square enix approved farm bots.

the choice is easy for me and it is tanaka's vision to be completed instead of trashing the new systems that had such potential.

[Zenaku]

give me back tanaka big time. i believe tanaka was rushed. anyone that played this game more than a few minutes could tell this game was not release ready by any stretch.

i'm sorry but did none of the big wigs see any of the beta feedback? did tanaka hide it from them and keep it hidden trying make this game fail? was he an undercover agent from another company trying to sabotage se?

the answer is, no, i can bet anything they knew how bad it was before it was released and said well we are going to release it anyway because it needs to get on the market now. people will love it because it has final fantasy on the title. they knew if it was ok when it hit the shelves and people accepted it they could finish letting tanaka make the game the way it was going. the problem was it tanked so tanaka became the fall guy because they could say we didn't know it is this bad.

can you honestly say if you are a higher up in a company that produces games you have no clue of what condition the product is in before you sign off on it being released? i would have been over his shoulder everyday checking on the condition of the game and seeing what progress is made. this is especially true if i looked at the beta testers feedback and seen how horribly it was received. can you say you would have never even checked the beta feedback to see what those people thought about it?

i don't know if tanaka would have made a hit out of this game or not, but i liked the direction alot better than we have now. aggro icons, ! over npc heads, horrid side quests, 4 foot tall rats, and auto-attack are the ideas yoshi has instituted in the game since he has been here. are these the kind of fixes we think will make the game better?

sure being able to start a battle and go into active mode then go grab coffee while auto attack beats the mob is exactly what this game needs. we now have our own square enix approved farm bots.

the choice is easy for me and it is tanaka's vision to be completed instead of trashing the new systems that had such potential.

yep Tanaka vision would have been best, if i remember when he was doing interview everyone was like o.o this sound great can't wait. Top of that remember Tanaka play the game but everyone else who was working on it did not because they feel it was taking a spot from players. I think tanaka knew this game was not really but was told to release it.

So at the end Tanaka vision is the reason we are here not Yoshi-P . For calling out loud he calling himself "Yoshi-P" he sure a funny guy. He not doing a bad job and he doing pretty good but i still want Tanaka vision it's the reason i'm here,

[Ilethius]

I think Tanaka was inbetween a rock and a hard place when he took on FFXIV, he is a good producer but maybe SE pushed him too hard and he had to cut corners here and there. Don't forget they had to develop this game with PS3 in mind and the limit on the memory was a huge stumbling block. The fact that a lot of the staples of FF titles were not available from launch further justify's that Tanaka simply did not have enough time to implement everything he wanted too. SE pushed for the release and then got a huge pile of fail for there efforts, It would be a good guess that Tanaka knew his job was under threat before launch. Tanka's vision in my opinion leans more towards a mix mash of old MMO techniques and new ideas which didnt really seem to work at launch, we dont know that full vision and we never will so who's to say that with another year or so Tanka might have been able to make a master piece. Yoshi-P however now has a sinking ship and a bucket to keep it afloat, it would be resonable to suggest that he might consult Tanka on his vision and ideas and encorporate them with his own. Yes, Yoshi has a more modern mmo experience but who is to say he cannot use that experience to make something new and exciting while keeping the FF feel, he himself has already stated the game doesnt have a FF feel and he wants to put that back into the game. He has also stated he doesnt like revealing things until there 100% confirmed and ready which is why his recent producer letters havent revealed much. In regards to companies, he said the NPC companies will be released first with the player companies released shortly afterwards (stated in producer V or VI letters cant remember which), I am really excited about this and I am pinning a lot of hope that this is going to be something huge.

This game needs something to drag it back from the brink, I have faith in Yoshi he seems connected to the players along with having a strong feeling of what FF titles should be. He hasnt made or been involved with many FF titles before but that doesnt mean he can't get advice from others within SE. Tanaka started from nothing too and look what he created with FFXI, I say give Yoshi-P his chance he may suprise us and hopefully he will.

[gifthorse]

I think Tanaka was inbetween a rock and a hard place when he took on FFXIV, he is a good producer but maybe SE pushed him too hard and he had to cut corners here and there. Don't forget they had to develop this game with PS3 in mind and the limit on the memory was a huge stumbling block. The fact that a lot of the staples of FF titles were not available from launch further justify's that Tanaka simply did not have enough time to implement everything he wanted too. SE pushed for the release and then got a huge pile of fail for there efforts, It would be a good guess that Tanaka knew his job was under threat before launch. Tanka's vision in my opinion leans more towards a mix mash of old MMO techniques and new ideas which didnt really seem to work at launch, we dont know that full vision and we never will so who's to say that with another year or so Tanka might have been able to make a master piece. Yoshi-P however now has a sinking ship and a bucket to keep it afloat, it would be resonable to suggest that he might consult Tanka on his vision and ideas and encorporate them with his own. Yes, Yoshi has a more modern mmo experience but who is to say he cannot use that experience to make something new and exciting while keeping the FF feel, he himself has already stated the game doesnt have a FF feel and he wants to put that back into the game. He has also stated he doesnt like revealing things until there 100% confirmed and ready which is why his recent producer letters havent revealed much. In regards to companies, he said the NPC companies will be released first with the player companies released shortly afterwards (stated in producer V or VI letters cant remember which), I am really excited about this and I am pinning a lot of hope that this is going to be something huge.

This game needs something to drag it back from the brink, I have faith in Yoshi he seems connected to the players along with having a strong feeling of what FF titles should be. He hasnt made or been involved with many FF titles before but that doesnt mean he can't get advice from others within SE. Tanaka started from nothing too and look what he created with FFXI, I say give Yoshi-P his chance he may suprise us and hopefully he will.

The mild-mannered person in me would have to agree with this. But as much as I would like to give Yoshi the benefit of the doubt, the stuff he has done so far forces me to do otherwise. Only time will tell, I guess, as to whether he will take the game somewhere as new and exciting as was promised. I will always be checking back, I'm sure. So we will have to see.

But don't say we didn't warn you.

[Zenaku]

If he make this into a wow mmo i'm going to give up on MMO FFXI was a awesome game played it for 6years but could not stand the cap 85-99 idea. When i found about FFXIV it give me hope for a new game and hoping this would be something like ffxi but something new all together. The idea of adding raids and dungeons got me really thinking this may be come WoW game. I know that FFXI had dungeons and some type of raids but it was not named that and that what made it fun for me. As long as the raids and Dungeons are not like WoW because sadly i played wow for 2month and am not even playing it any more -.- am sick of the same thing over and over each time. the PVP really lack and it's lame if you don't have BoA giving a person a item that you can only get when you 85 really make me sick because it does not help new players at all. Top of that can't stand wow players everytime there a fight they pull out who doing best dps -.-

Anyways back on topic as long as FFXIV does not become WoW i'm fine with it. At the release wow players would flooding in FFXIV and calling there char toon lol i remind them it's "Char not toon"

Anyways i'm still hopeful for this game but so far it not looking so good for ffxiv.

[Lienn]

Tanaka.

Hell, i must say that the core system from FFXIV is what made me love it. The game was (when Tanaka was kicked) in a raw way (still is) but the quality of the core systems and ideas behind it were unique and, if he had more time, i bet it would be superior in every single aspect than FFXI when we reached septemper (first anniversary).

I support Yoshida since now he's the one in charge...but if i could chose i'd stay with Tanaka in a heartbeat.