Simian Thrash should get some boost.

[DeadRiser]

So because a PUG uses their fists you think they shouldn't do as much DPS as other classes, which would make them a rather worthless class? This is the dumbest thing I've read in the last 5 minutes.

Rude much? You could've replied with something more intelligent than calling his statement as dumb. You could've said they should do almost as much damage since they are using knuckles, not their fists.

On another note, I actually think the evade option stands with their lore. They are supposed to be sort of the evasion tank. And many of their moves count on evasion. The team just needs to increase their evasion rate is all. Damage wise, I don't know

[darkstarpoet1]

Rude much? You could've replied with something more intelligent than calling his statement as dumb. You could've said they should do almost as much damage since they are using knuckles, not their fists.

On another note, I actually think the evade option stands with their lore. They are supposed to be sort of the evasion tank. And many of their moves count on evasion. The team just needs to increase their evasion rate is all. Damage wise, I don't know

i do understand that pugs are built on evasion, but that should be a high end weaponskill not a incap ability in my opinion. people compare it to bloodletter, but yet you can have one archer in a nm battle and 4 pugs and he will use his ability more than all 4 pugs combined. yes, a pug can be used in nm battles such as the buffalo, but you only get a few because even though they have the ability to break both horns they are useless on the left one due to never being able to call the incap ability. this makes it to where only 2 incaps on the one side instead of the 3.

i just feel as though if they want it as an incap on the nm's they should have the same requirements as the other incap abilities. the damage i could deal with, but would like to actually be able to contribute to my party.