I wouldn't mind FFXIV becoming a WoW clone in the casual/hardcore appeal if...

[Gramul]

Know what I'd love to see in this game? An auction house. Guess what WoW has? An auction house. But I guess since WoW has an auction house, we can't have one in FFXIV because we'd just become another herpity derp derp WoW clone right?

Well to be fair, auction houses have existed before WoW.

[kazaran]

Usess ideas from various games is different from cloning one single title. THere is the difference.

Auction houses are not orginal to WOW, wow adopted that. XI had AH as well, and some aspects of it should return while other aspects should be improved on. Regular FF games even had action houses before MMO's truely emerged. DId WOW CLone EQ or FF games in that manner?

The raid system in wow isn't suffcient for new MMO's.

The story system of wow is weak.

The AI in WOW is weak. If you understood how npc's follow such a limited point to point plotted path and limited radius of tracking, it would be clear.

Sure a better UI, that is coming. An adapted console form as well.

Wanting a clone of another companies title isn't the target. SE is trying to please some of those gamers, but they can't sacrifice itself for an outdated standard.

Using aspects that work is one thing, straight cloning them all is sacrficing evolotion of mmo's.

Making things to simple won't work. Neither will to hard.

FFXIV needs to be like Final Fantasy, it's lore, it's style, not WOW's. Battles are battles, WOW didn't great those either. Technically instanced (loaded fscripted fights) exisited in XI before hand just in a different name. They came complete with nice Custscnes and story lines to tie it all together.

I hope SE doesn't sacrifice to much to please others, because to close of a clone to how wow is, would only hurt them. Adapting interface is hardly cloning.

[kazaran]

Here is the differences between wanting XIV to be more liek XI versus WOW.

XI is FInal Fantasy. XIV is final Fantasy. Most of the XI fans want to migrate to XIV. IT will sahre the lore, style, and ideas.

WOW is not FInal Fantasy. Not by a long shot. IF you want a WOW clone or WOW game in the new era, push Blizzard to stop making addons and to make a new title with a better engine. They have the money, finaces and ability. It could be a game with a better story line that pulls you into it. THen redesign the UI further, because it still needs some work.

[Velhart]

Here is the differences between wanting XIV to be more liek XI versus WOW.

XI is FInal Fantasy. XIV is final Fantasy. Most of the XI fans want to migrate to XIV. IT will sahre the lore, style, and ideas.

WOW is not FInal Fantasy. Not by a long shot. IF you want a WOW clone or WOW game in the new era, push Blizzard to stop making addons and to make a new title with a better engine. They have the money, finaces and ability. It could be a game with a better story line that pulls you into it. THen redesign the UI further, because it still needs some work.

Blizzard has openly announced several times that they have a new MMO coming out, currently only called "Project Titan".

Also, you don't see the bigger picture here. SE does not simply want to cater to FFXI veterans, they are after the big audience this time and if it means pissing off FFXI vets this time, then so be it. Even back during 1.xx's development phase, Tanaka expressed that they wanted FFXIV to be completely different from FFXI, giving you a new experience. That concept didn't go too far. Yoshida still expresses that idea and is definitely making that happen. 2.0 is definitely different than FFXI in many ways, which was their original goal.

This is the direction they are taking and FFXI veterans have two choices. One, they can either suck it up and work with the new system, or two, they can go back to FFXI (Which is getting an expansion pack by the way.), and continue playing that. I am a veteran of FFXI myself (2003-2010), and I say that change is good. I do foresee FFXIV reaching the numbers it desires, but I have a feeling it will be from a lot of non-FFXI players going into it.

[Starlord]

The only thing thats "Copying" from WOW is Jump ( which is in nearly MMO out there) and the UI. Those are the only 2 things that's coming from wow. ( We don't know much about the Quest system to say its copying.. in fact its hard to make an MMO without Quests/Missions, But the Quests itself offer Different storylines and not a copy of other storylines.

Graphics are not Cartoony like WOW is, Characters are sooo not 2004 like WOW is. Everything else I can't say since we don't have enough info to judge that ( Like Dungeon Raids etc).

In short, Somethings are kinda "need" to be copied from other games.. because there is simply Zero way around it. Something that every MMO needs ( the basics) to survive.

[Ruisu]

The only thing thats "Copying" from WOW is Jump

World of Warcraft invented jump.

[Starlord]

World of Warcraft invented jump.

And that's why I said "Copying from WoW" >.>. Who Invented the "Non-Jump" Atari? XD

[kazaran]

Blizzard has openly announced several times that they have a new MMO coming out, currently only called "Project Titan".

Also, you don't see the bigger picture here. SE does not simply want to cater to FFXI veterans, they are after the big audience this time and if it means pissing off FFXI vets this time, then so be it. Even back during 1.xx's development phase, Tanaka expressed that they wanted FFXIV to be completely different from FFXI, giving you a new experience. That concept didn't go too far. Yoshida still expresses that idea and is definitely making that happen. 2.0 is definitely different than FFXI in many ways, which was their original goal.

This is the direction they are taking and FFXI veterans have two choices. One, they can either suck it up and work with the new system, or two, they can go back to FFXI (Which is getting an expansion pack by the way.), and continue playing that. I am a veteran of FFXI myself (2003-2010), and I say that change is good. I do foresee FFXIV reaching the numbers it desires, but I have a feeling it will be from a lot of non-FFXI players going into it.

THey want to capture some of the various players yes, but the fact still remains, most of those who have supproted them, are XI vetererns and Japanee players, and it is very doubtfull SE will alienate us for the possbility of others. We are former, and current FF MMO players, The go play another game comment doesn't work, becuase we are playing the 2 games we support as well as the company we stood beind for previous work. Others excpeting the game to change to match another companies game becuase they want a new version of it isn't realistic. A japanese MMO style may not be for them if they are wanting the developers to create a title other then what they invision.

OTher then Jump, which actually was featured efore in other titles. A UI that can be pulled up in seperate windows and moved for easier use. It wil lstill be Final Fantasy. IF players want WOW type basic questing, stories, and depth, then there is wow. IF they want FF story, lore and depth, then their is FF.

Sure with GW2 there is more challenges out there. With other upcoming titles as well. What can not happen is please WOW players over FF supproters and fans when WOW players more likely are not going to stick by them and have expectations.

[fusional]

WOW is not FInal Fantasy. Not by a long shot. IF you want a WOW clone or WOW game in the new era, push Blizzard to stop making addons and to make a new title with a better engine. They have the money, finaces and ability. It could be a game with a better story line that pulls you into it. THen redesign the UI further, because it still needs some work.

the UI is fine. industry leading, actually. lern2mod, kiddo. as far as the rest, i'm getting really tired of repeating myself since you don't seem to respond to logic/reason, but here goes:

the reason your argument sounds completely idiotic is because you keep using the "go play WoW" defense without seeing how retarded it is. without seeing how it creates a double standard, since you keep beating off rift and ffxi. so let's try this one last time-

if your logic holds, and anyone who defends wow should go play wow... please cancel your account and never post here again. go play rift or ffxi and begone.

if you don't think that's fair or don't feel it in your heart to acquiesce, then you acknowledge the flaws in your logic and should thereby shut the hell up and never base an argument on this fallacious "go play ______" drivel again.

dig?

or troll on, i guess. that's probably what will happen.

[Velhart]

THey want to capture some of the various players yes, but the fact still remains, most of those who have supproted them, are XI vetererns and Japanee players, and it is very doubtfull SE will alienate us for the possbility of others.

Why not? Its not like there isn't FFXI still to play. It is still up and running strong. Why not make a new game that caters to a whole new player base? They have no reason to cater to you. They want to make a game for everyone, not just FFXI players. How do you expect the game to be a massive success if they only cater to a niche group?