Discussion: User Created UI Addons?

[Xairos]

Imma let you finish, but..

You all are kinda missing the forest for the trees.

FFXIV's battle isn't like WoW's. So dmg meters will inherently work differently. I mean, from my knowledge, WoW ??k dps output relied marginally on gear and highly on rotation (the order of your skills). In FFXI(V) it was from a number of things: gear equipped at time of white/skill execution; buffs from food/spells/subjobs; and, in slightest detail, weather. So how accurate can our meters be if people are gear swapping in the middle of fights?

Me: "Hey man your numbers were kinda low"
Guy: "Oh my gear swap macro wasn't working. I messed up a line"
Me: "Liar! get outta my party, noob."

As someone else said in this thread, we don't know how 2.0 will even play. But we can go off of the history of FFonline games operating within those margins.

Final point: Final Fantasy has always attempted to establish itself as a different mmo when compared to the rest of the genre. That is why in a sea of Free to play, Final Fantasy maintains its subscription model. Being different is Final Fantasy's DNA. Currently SE is trying to make that "different" into "good". I urge all of you to think about how it felt (feels) to play a brand new mmo, day one, only to realize a week later that this "new mmo" is just a re-skinned WoW attempting to get both your time and your money all the while treating you like you don't know any better. It happens year after year and yet many of you would rather your new mmo (in 2012 no less) to play barely different than one that came out in 2004.

[Antipika]

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I don't really see how gear swapping changes anything. Gear swapping can be considered as a rotation. If you fail to gear swap properly it's like failing to rotate a spell properly or use your charge/fury properly etc. So you're still a bad player in any case.

As for WoW and such relying only on gear/rotation, it's wrong, it relies on everything

- Gear
- Spell rotation
- Positioning
- Mechanics anticipation (move at the right time etc.)
- Raid consumables (Food/Potions)
- Spec tree (could be considered like sub job in a way)

As for the F2P part, which game are we talking about? XI? Yeah well game from 2002, different market at the time, game mostly popular in Japan etc. Tons of factors that justify why the game is still ok with a pay to play model. As for XIV, we all know it's not profitable at the moment...

According to what was said in previous dev posts, they are about 300 persons working on the game in Japan. Add to that the dedicated staff in America and Europe. (our GMs, Reps and so on). Now add the total development time put into the game, we can safely say that a lot of people were working on XIV as early as 2008. XIV is not profitable with the few amount of players it has right now. And it won't be profitable if it remains that way, hence why the game is taking a new direction and try to attract more players. A wider audience even if it means becoming a bit less original.

No one wants a game like XI again. And most of us are done with the so-called Square Enix Originality©. We have seen what's XIV 1.0 was all about in term originality. Sure it was unique... uniquely terrible.

[Asiaine]

No one wants a game like XI again.

I do. I liked it. There goes your 'no one' ^.^;;

And most of us are done with the so-called Square Enix Originality©.

I'm not. I like originality. I like people/companies that are willing to take a chance and try something new rather than be a clone. You think WoW just said: Let's clone (whoever is popular). They took a chance and succeeded.

Sometimes you succeed, sometimes you fail. But without taking a chance, you are already a failure.

We have seen what's XIV 1.0 was all about in term originality. Sure it was unique... uniquely terrible.

Can't be that terrible. You're here. I'm here. Lots of people here.

For a little taru, you sure make galkan sized generalizations.

Back to topic!:
I wonder if I can have dedicated chat boxes on a seperate screen.

[Antipika]

If you want XI back, what do you do in here? >>http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/ The game is still running you know.

As for taking a chance, the game already used it. It failed. When you can't be original on certain game aspects, don't try. SE learned its lesson for the UI and we are now getting a standard UI that will do the job, even while being less original.
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Can't be that terrible? Yeah first AAA MMO in the history which went completely free for months while a pay to play model was announced. Even Wada-san saying it caused damage to the whole franchise. Not terrible you said? Half of the dev team changed few months after release. What is terrible then? You just have low expectations I think.

[Asiaine]

If you want XI back, what do you do in here? >>http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/ The game is still running you know.

Oh dear. You confuse wanting a game 'like' XI, and wanting XI. I'm not sure I'll be able to clearly express myself to you if it is hard to get that simple point across ; ;

As for taking a chance, the game already used it. It failed. When you can't be original on certain game aspects, don't try.

If you can't be original don't try? That is a very sad and defeatist attitude. Everyone should continuously strive to try out new things. Be courageous to see what is the next boundary we can break. Or we could all go back to playing text adventure games?

Can't be that terrible? Yeah first AAA MMO in the history which went completely free for months while a pay to play model was announced. Even Wada-san saying it caused damage to the whole franchise. Not terrible you said? Half of the dev team changed few months after release. What is terrible then? You just have low expectations I think.

If the game still being alive and getting a full reboot is your definition of 'terrible', then what must you call games that actually shut down. Perhaps it is a language barrier with taru-speak. There are different grades of success. It is not just 'terrible' or 'OMG AWESOME'.

[Antipika]

If the game still being alive and getting a full reboot is your definition of 'terrible', then what must you call games that actually shut down. Perhaps it is a language barrier with taru-speak. There are different grades of success. It is not just 'terrible' or 'OMG AWESOME'.

This game is getting a full reboot because it is named Final Fantasy and is made by Square Enix. If it wasn't SE but instead a company that was relying on this very project alone to make money, the game would have been shut down and lot of people would have been fired. Like some MMOs sadly failed recently. You cannot feed 300+ DEVs and a several multiregional teams with no income at all.

Instead it's SE, they have money coming from other projects (and not only games as well), so they can afford themselves to simply "change" the DEV team and continue sinking money into the project in order to make the project worthwhile but and also, save what's more important above everything else, the Final Fantasy brand.

As the time of release, the game was terrible. It improved now yes. But we were talking about the game at release timing. And if we are still here, it's because of that full reboot being announced. There wouldn't be as many players here if SE would simply had said "deal with it, we're not making a new game and keeping it that way".