I wouldn't mind FFXIV becoming a WoW clone in the casual/hardcore appeal if...

[Priya]

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[kazaran]

FFXI becoming more liek wow, means becoming less. SImpel as that. THe AI is horrid and weak. Mobs are built on a base of High HP to beat it down, rather then it havign pure defense, tacticas and counterign abilites.

Those that really belive WOW is better, and FFXI shoudl take more from it, really will be left behind when better games are available.

If you are such a high supporter of a mediocre MMO passed it's prime, then play that, and don't waste the space on the forums. There are plenty of mediocre clones out there for you. Then you can button mash and spell spam all you want. Grind out crafting in no time flat, and have a lower age group of players that have a problem wth "Community".

Battle mechanics is not something that should be taken from wow, but avoided.

Drop rates can gear aquiring can be taken from many mmo's including those before wow.

Read a novel or settle for Green eggs and ham. It may be more your speed.

[kazaran]

Never mind after reviewign 3 posters here, 98% of their posts offer no benifit to the FFXIV community. So ramble all you want.

[XxOstiaxX]

FFXI becoming more liek wow, means becoming less. SImpel as that. THe AI is horrid and weak. Mobs are built on a base of High HP to beat it down, rather then it havign pure defense, tacticas and counterign abilites.

Those that really belive WOW is better, and FFXI shoudl take more from it, really will be left behind when better games are available.

If you are such a high supporter of a mediocre MMO passed it's prime, then play that, and don't waste the space on the forums. There are plenty of mediocre clones out there for you. Then you can button mash and spell spam all you want. Grind out crafting in no time flat, and have a lower age group of players that have a problem wth "Community".

Battle mechanics is not something that should be taken from wow, but avoided.

Drop rates can gear aquiring can be taken from many mmo's including those before wow.

Read a novel or settle for Green eggs and ham. It may be more your speed.

You got your games backwards.....

[A5ko]

Regardless of what's said when comparing WoW to FFXIV, it's pretty obvious which game is more popular on the whole. I played FFXI for many years, likewise WoW and both had their charm. FFXI was my first 'real' MMO so the grind was pretty normal. Taking an age to find a party and then staying in it for 4-6 hours killing the same creature was both fun and social.

Then came WoW, and I saw that a game could be played in a different manner without the need for repetitious killing of the same mobs. When I think back to FFXI and the dunes, it is through rose tinted garlond goggles, as I'm sure now I would just get sick of it in a few minutes. We've been spoilt by games like WoW which has changed many peoples outlook on the way MMO's should be and what is an accepted standard.

If FFXIV was just a prettier clone of WoW set in the FF universe it would have been so much bigger. Those of you complaining about the cartoony graphics, tell me, did you switch off Final Fantasy 7 the moment you saw Cloud's Pop-eye arms? Those cartoony graphics are part reason WoW has the biggest subscription base in a paid MMO. It didn't try to be future proof and alienate 75% of the gaming population with pretty graphics. FFXIV did, and to further kick us in the teeth it didn't have the content or game play either.

I'd like to see the following things in 2.0

- Quest driven levelling with the option to grind (standard MMO affair now days)

- Clearer directions and unambiguous quest logs. (I'm not asking for arrows to NPC's but at least make it clearer)

- Better tutorials to snatch and keep new players. (Who wants to guess what to do in their first 5 minutes of game play?)

- Regular and interesting game content to keep the higher levels interested.

- Increased Draw Distance so the game world doesn't feel empty

- A non-clunky UI which doesn't require several hundred key presses to craft. (Without having to MACRO it).

Of course it is a different beast now and I am seriously looking forward to 2.0. I'm not a WoW fan boy (as some of you are probably lighting up your torches to burn me), I stopped playing WoW last year. I just dislike seeing people claim how poor WoW is and then have the nerve to say FFXIV is something far better.

Something has to change, otherwise this game will always be one of a tiny following never really amounting to anything. Sure it has a somewhat loyal fan base but unless you are prepared to pay triple your subscription every month, then it won't be around for many years like FFXI. I cannot even begin to imagine the loss SE have made and could further increase if they can't pull this off. I'm hoping they do succeed, I really do.

[kazaran]

How exactly do you know what I have an haven't done in XI, EQ, RIft, WOW, or here. Hell I have 3 XIV accounts since beta.

I have palyerd wow to the point there is nothign left but to run around helping others. Mules crafted out. Classes maxed. Cataclysm was mediocre other then some needed visual tuning.

IF you want WOW go play wow. One thing we DO NOT need on this market is a WOW clone. It's time ofr inovation, change, and independence. Just becuase blind gamers follow hype, rather then inovation means nothing. There are those few that want and seek more.

THere are aspects in WOW that can be utilized, but there are also aspects from other games who have improved on WOW. IF you are so in love with WOW, go play it and don't waste the time of others here. THis isn't wow, and we don't wnat a clone of WOW with better graphics. IF that is what you want, talk to Blizzard and tell them to stop releasign crappy addons and make a new title.

[Gokulo]

Seriously stop with the "go play WoW', with each post you are just getting worse and worse.

[AceofRains]

I think you people just cringe at the thought of quest based progression huh? I'm sure ARR will have plenty to offer that isn't in they way of WoW, but seriously grind leveling is not fun and I don't want to get a party together to progress or run leves, I want to progress with the storyline and the areas I travel to, I don't care what MMO it is. Although due to the fact that this is a multi-class per character game, the option to grind is a must have and isn't all that horrible either.

To be honest I really don't care about the system or mechanics, I care about the theme, the content, and the community

Theme - Final Fantasy is most interesting because of the job system. I love that I can be any role on ONE character, thus I don't have to reestablish reputation.

Content - Although content doesn't seem to differ highly from MMO to MMO, presentation in how its done is key, such as boss fights and pvp. I prefer fights that look more stylish and flashy and I think that's something SE delivers on imo. I like how intense the Primal fights look, even if you get them down to a science.

Community - If its one thing I observe about the Final Fantasy community its that we all think somewhat alike, for instance we all regard "toon" as a derogatory slur when referring to our characters. We all have a sense for how a job should 'feel' considering Final Fantasy tradition and history. So I feel a commonality with this community, y'all are more refined and debatable although sometimes detestable. I don't hear FF players going "NOOOOB 11zzz" all the time like I would in other MMOs.

So all in all a role playing game can be packaged any way, but this is what I'm attracted to.

[kazaran]

I dread the thought of XIV's community becoming like WOW's. There are aspects of those type in it, but luckily then run back. Except in the case of the obvious few.

IF yo uwant wow... WOW is that way ----> Like it or not.

I never said wow was horrid, it had many fun elements. YEt it has it flaws. It is becoming an antiquity, and Blizzard needs a new version and title.


Turnign FFXI into a WOW clone is tryign t take new idieas, and turnign it into an Antiquity. THis is a Japanese developed MMO, very different from a North Americans style. Expectign them to sacrifice to much is rediculous.

Want a better WOW talk to Blizzard. It's well over due.

[Priya]

FFXI was my first 'real' MMO so the grind was pretty normal. Taking an age to find a party and then staying in it for 4-6 hours killing the same creature was both fun and social.

Then came WoW, and I saw that a game could be played in a different manner without the need for repetitious killing of the same mobs. When I think back to FFXI and the dunes, it is through rose tinted garlond goggles, as I'm sure now I would just get sick of it in a few minutes. We've been spoilt by games like WoW which has changed many peoples outlook on the way MMO's should be and what is an accepted standard.

I'd like to see the following things in 2.0

- A non-clunky UI which doesn't require several hundred key presses to craft. (Without having to MACRO it).

I just dislike seeing people claim how poor WoW is and then have the nerve to say FFXIV is something far better.

Very well said, sir.

FFXI was my very first MMO as well. I cannot tell you how much I loved the method of leveling and the single character aspect. Quest based leveling doesn't bother me, but it can get lonely-- if there are dungeons along the way that people actually enter, it helps a great deal.

THere are aspects in WOW that can be utilized, but there are also aspects from other games who have improved on WOW.

You do realize this one thing we've been saying this entire time? No one wants a WoW clone, but there are certain aspects of it (unrelated to content/mechanics) that very well should be present in XIV. UI customization/functionality (if you recall, I agreed with you that Rift did a better job with it) is one factor, and Complete keybind customization (both games are exactly the same here, so I don't know why you keep only citing WoW) is another.

These types of things are simply expected in this modern MMO age-- no matter the company. No one is going to flock to a game that's a step backwards in functionality and control unless it already holds a special place in their hearts (think XI).

IF that is what you want, talk to Blizzard and tell them to stop releasign crappy addons and make a new title.

By "addons" do you mean "expansions"? I need clarification because Blizzard doesn't produce or design addons, the player base does-- this is a whole other animal.

I think you people just cringe at the thought of quest based progression huh? I'm sure ARR will have plenty to offer that isn't in they way of WoW, but seriously grind leveling is not fun and I don't want to get a party together to progress or run leves, I want to progress with the storyline and the areas I travel to, I don't care what MMO it is. Although due to the fact that this is a multi-class per character game, the option to grind is a must have and isn't all that horrible either.

Theme - Final Fantasy is most interesting because of the job system. I love that I can be any role on ONE character, thus I don't have to reestablish reputation.

So I feel a commonality with this community, y'all are more refined and debatable although sometimes detestable.

Another excellent post.

I have always HATED WoW's multiple character approach. Reputation grinding several times through... sucks. There are so many people who will be drawn to XIV based on the single character factor alone if, as you said, the rest of the game can rise up to the standards that are expected to be there.

You've about summed up how I feel about the community except if someone wants to use the word "toon," I will never harangue them for it. (I've never adopted it because "char" is also only 4 keystrokes.)

I dread the thought of XIV's community becoming like WOW's.

Why not? We already have plenty who want to hinder progress. May as well let the ones with new ideas in.

IF yo uwant wow... WOW is that way ----> Like it or not.

Content/mechanics aside, wanting a user friendly (meaning UI/keybinds) game =/= wanting WoW.