I wouldn't mind FFXIV becoming a WoW clone in the casual/hardcore appeal if...

[Churchill]

Nothing to do with people being a "fanboy" more subs doesnt make it better, wow is a super casual game, theres more casuals in the world than hardcores, thats your homeland.

Most people from 11 btw, that actually did endgame are disgusted by achievements... they are stupid. We enjoy gear/facts/numbers, achieve's mean nothing, they do nothing, and shouldnt. Makes me think of achievement hunters on ps3 or xbox360, playing any game, theres some idiot using the same gimp weapon or something over and over getting some achiev to make himself feel good... and its nothing, you didnt even play the game, its a feel-good pos they feed you and call it progression, your char is no better, heres your gold sticker.

How exactly arent you a "fanboy" for WoW if you like the term so much.

I challenge you to explain to me how the damage formula works in FFXI, an easy task because you care so much about numbers.

[fusional]

I challenge you to explain to me how the damage formula works in FFXI, because you care so much about numbers.

not only does he care about numbers, but he clearly cares more about them than any of the WoW-heads over at elitist jerks. amirite or amirite? and now he's going to prove it. just you wait.