I wouldn't mind FFXIV becoming a WoW clone in the casual/hardcore appeal if...

[Reiterpallasch]

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Played WoW for about... 2 1/2 months, quit about 6months ago... maby longer, idr.

Ilvl 398 resto druid - full heroic gems
Ilvl 394 prot pally - full heroic gems
Ilvl 393 shadow priest - full heroic gems
Ilvl 396 combat rogue - full heroic gems (legendary around 75% complete or something)
7 capped professions
4/8 heroic (nearly killed 2 skittles and higara heroic last week i played)

The last few weeks i basically stopped logging on, all I did was wait for each characters DS timers to be up then wait for each chars raid day, so 90min/week/char.

I know mentioning all of this is going to bring some obv trolling but the game isnt hard. Its a flat out joke.
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You're basing the difficulty of a game based on your acquisition of cheap items you can buy off of the auction house? Are you @#$%ing kidding me? That's like saying FFXIV is easy because of how easily you can farm marmot meat.

I like that you say "The game isn't hard. It's a flat out joke" yet you're only 4/8 HM. If it's so easy, why are you 4/8? Why aren't you 8/8 with 400+ ilvl? If it's so hard, why is your ilvl barely above standard for what pickup groups accept to farm normal modes with 1-2 HM sprinkled in?

[Aceofspades]

lol, this is gona spin you right round , but hold on

I understand that it would make sense in the game , as they can taylor the storyline to w/e they like, howerverI IN GENERAL, it just wouldnt make sense. I enjoyed XI because of its relivance to reality even in a fantasy realm. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine would be ; that to strech the reality of the situation in the current realm would be folly, as its realy hard to tie into a game, based off of fantasia , sci fi star wars genre. Not to mention trying to sell it to a gamer crowd that is content with genres staying within their realms. If I want to play star wars, I will play star wars, If I want to play knight in shining armor, I will play FFXIV. LOL , if my interpritation of how this real should exist, gets stretched beyond the limit of my own personal comfort zone, I will lable it as "not fun" and find a game that better suits my personal preferances. This is all Im saying. I dont think it to be unreasonable to expect a certain limit to wich SE will strecth the practicality of the realms existance.

I think one will find , everytime advanced civilizations invade or influance primitive civilizations , the ones with the better weapons win the conflicts of intrests. To suggest that my cobalt armor stands a chance agains a light sabor that cuts through titanium like a hot knife through butter, would be , imo, a stretch too far. I love the Final Fantasy games, but even my sense of what is acceptable has limits. Genres exist for a reason, to mesh them carelessly , I belive , would ruin this game on many levels.

But thats just my humble oponion. I would hope SE and Yoshi consider being tastefull when developing the game further.

[Nuru]

There is nothing subjective about a Flood! A flood is either a flood or not a flood, there is no in between here, the only thing positive so far has been the gameplay video, and even that was not released by SE Wich brings a lot of questions, as far as the screenshots, who cares really, 27 or 30 worked screenshots are not a flood.....

Oh hey! You must not have known that Yoshida (and a few members of the staff) have traveled to Germany for Gamescom. I am pretty sure they wanted that video to be exclusive until Gamescom was finished, and then release a gameplay video for us shortly after, if that was the plan.

As far as the screenshots go, and how "worked" they really are, I'd have to say that they entail just as much information as you are interested in them. I don't really know what you guys are talking about floods, but what i do know is that it's not worth arguing over beliefs. Actual facts would do some good, and right now, we don't have many of those. The weekend is over now, and I am sure we will be seeing some news throughout the week.

[Gokulo]

lol, this is gona spin you right round , but hold on

I understand that it would make sense in the game , as they can taylor the storyline to w/e they like, howerverI IN GENERAL, it just wouldnt make sense. I enjoyed XI because of its relivance to reality even in a fantasy realm. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine would be ; that to strech the reality of the situation in the current realm would be folly, as its realy hard to tie into a game, based off of fantasia , sci fi star wars genre. Not to mention trying to sell it to a gamer crowd that is content with genres staying within their realms. If I want to play star wars, I will play star wars, If I want to play knight in shining armor, I will play FFXIV. LOL , if my interpritation of how this real should exist, gets stretched beyond the limit of my own personal comfort zone, I will lable it as "not fun" and find a game that better suits my personal preferances. This is all Im saying. I dont think it to be unreasonable to expect a certain limit to wich SE will strecth the practicality of the realms existance.

I think one will find , everytime advanced civilizations invade or influance primitive civilizations , the ones with the better weapons win the conflicts of intrests. To suggest that my cobalt armor stands a chance agains a light sabor that cuts through titanium like a hot knife through butter, would be , imo, a stretch too far. I love the Final Fantasy games, but even my sense of what is acceptable has limits. Genres exist for a reason, to mesh them carelessly , I belive , would ruin this game on many levels.

But thats just my humble oponion. I would hope SE and Yoshi consider being tastefull when developing the game further.

Steam Punk is a genre too and it combines these two things, sorry. Plus it's a combination that has been used in FF previously (XII for example). No one is saying there will be light sabers, but the Garlean Empire has been said to be technologically advanced since the very first time they were mentioned. It's not like S-E has suddenly decided to incorporate s-f elements into the lore. The only thing is that until now there weren't many things in-game that would show that side, for which I would blame the 1.0 ver. and it's hangover story.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but saying that they aren't showing taste because you don't like the setting they have chosen for their game is ridiculous, sorry.

Personally, I don't know how come you never came across any similar settings, since there are many great examples of it in literature, movies or video games.

Additionally, mixing genres is always acceptable to a degree, that's how new genres come into life too. I don't know where do you get your ideas from.

[Miliant]

WoW's endgame is by no means easier than FFXI endgame. Due to FFXI's lack of gear progression anyone could jump right into the endgame as soon as they got any decent AH HQ gear. I must disagree in that camping a wyrm for 15 hours is hardcore endgame content. Being unable to clear dungeons because the dungeon is tuned for groups with much higher tiered gear than the one you own is hardcore. If you think random non-set epics from PUGs make you endgame material in WoW you're deluded.

At least that's how it worked back when I played it years ago and I doubt they changed mechanics since THEY WORK and a very small percentage of players actually clears true endgame content.

[Jeronlmo]

@Reithpallasch

How exactly is that items you buy off of the AH? basically all of my gear from mentioned Ilvl's is from heroic firelands or normal/heroic dragonsoul, if not all actually... and im only 4/8 because i only played for 2 1/2 months, so yes its a joke, game basically beat, i didnt not get 8/8 because it was hard, i didnt get 8/8 because i quit, the group hit 6/8 the week after I quit by killed skittles/higara that we almost killed the week i quit.

Same reason I finally quit 11, solo/duo'ed my entire Nin empyrian, then solo'ed 60% of my whm empy then said to myself "wtf am I playing this if I can solo the best weapons in the game". Its a joke, as is DS.

Im still not sure what items you can possibly buy to get those Ilvl's, even if, and im assuming you are, thinking I had pvp gear for high Ilvl, but PVP gear from AH stopped at 397, and no, all pve gear, all DS. (wtf is wrong with you to even think people use pvp gear for heroics?)

[dragorian]

threds like these shouldent be posted if u ppl want wow then go play it and stop trying to persuade se to make wow like game wow sucks do you relly want to go and find where you died b4 you can even play without exp loss

[Deceptistar]

....after reading this thread, it almost feels like the people who are calling FFXI easier are the ones that played around the time of ToAU... which, I think, by then FFXI had already passed its peak age. If the JP's actually had access to WoW (as in w/ jp language) i kinda doubt they would have had as hard a time as some pple in the states... asia's obsession with entertainment far exceeds the US in this type of thing.

[Reiterpallasch]

@Reithpallasch

How exactly is that items you buy off of the AH? basically all of my gear from mentioned Ilvl's is from heroic firelands or normal/heroic dragonsoul, if not all actually... and im only 4/8 because i only played for 2 1/2 months, so yes its a joke, game basically beat, i didnt not get 8/8 because it was hard, i didnt get 8/8 because i quit, the group hit 6/8 the week after I quit by killed skittles/higara that we almost killed the week i quit.

Same reason I finally quit 11, solo/duo'ed my entire Nin empyrian, then solo'ed 60% of my whm empy then said to myself "wtf am I playing this if I can solo the best weapons in the game". Its a joke, as is DS.

Im still not sure what items you can possibly buy to get those Ilvl's, even if, and im assuming you are, thinking I had pvp gear for high Ilvl, but PVP gear from AH stopped at 397, and no, all pve gear, all DS. (wtf is wrong with you to even think people use pvp gear for heroics?)

Was more referring to the gems, since you seemed to think that they're somehow hard to come by or an accomplishment. But gems aside, there are a handful of 397 items on the AH anyways.

You say you were only 4/8 because you quit? How do you only complete half of a raid in 2.5 months? After all it's jokingly easy so you should have blasted through all 8 within a single raid lockout. I'm gonna assume you did 10 man, which makes certain fights much easier (notably zon'ozz and warmaster), which it does tend to up the difficulty on Hagara (which is easy anyways).

As for the FFXI part: You actually solo/duo'd a "meh" weapon (which is crap outside of abyssea), and a "garbage" weapon, which is crap everywhere. Killing easy mobs to make bad weapons is a good indicator on the difficulty of a games endgame now apparently.

[Trollestia]

Confession time: I thought WOW's end game was more difficult than FFXI's.

Sounds embarrassing

FFXI's endgame was never hard, it was either easy (everything) or impossible untill they nerf it (AV/PW) lol

It's pretty obvious that some people like to think they played XI and didn't.

Maybe if you consider limbus and dynamis "endgame". I really doubt any of you had D rings or relics.