Deus Darnus, Thaliak, Louisoux and Dalamud [Speculation Thread with Spoilers]

[Punainen]

Now you're just trolling, Punainen... an objective of the forums is to have polite conversations that exhibit critical thought. I will be succinct in establishing that you've plain refused to allow yourself to examine this with some cognitive thinking... the adage holds true that common sense is not common.

Thus, I will not even dignify your post with a response.

@ Mr Kupo, I thank you most kindly for being able to see exactly what I was referring to... and for pointing out a couple of the flaws in that person's arguments. Alerith's theory both here and on his blog also make a very interesting point, making us us wonder which of our NPC heroes are possible avatars of the gods... or perhaps all of us, (including Cid, Merlwyb and Raubahn) are even being deceived on a couple things as well...

You only wish I was trolling so you wouldn't have anyone pointing out your huge lapse in judgement. Like I said, just answer this ONE question, and I will drop it and admit defeat...

You believe there is a thirteenth deity because...?

[ArkNova]

My theory is all of Final Fantasy XIV takes place in the imagination of someone laying in a bed in a hospital in a coma. FFXIVception and Echoception are terms I coin for these events.

Joking aside at one point in the newest trailer something huge falls from the bottom of Dalamud and slams into the ground killing garlean soldiers and there's a quick clip of Dalamud's surface starting to rupture. I'm placing bets the object that fell is the true threat.

[_pops]

Based on these speculations, any way the Echo can be contributed to the theories? I really can't come up with anything, but it was never brought up.

Also, anyone nostalgic on how Darnus' fight is reminiscent to XI's Promathia fight? Promathia wanting to destroy the world because, yeah, we suck and how Altana wanted to save us, etc.

Even the fight was just as similar, just not in space.








I wish it was in space...

[JouriStarz]

You only wish I was trolling so you wouldn\\'t have anyone pointing out your huge lapse in judgement. Like I said, just answer this ONE question, and I will drop it and admit defeat...

You believe there is a thirteenth deity because...?

Its possible to speculate without fact to back it up that's why its called speculation.

[JouriStarz]

To add to my post which for some reason won't let me edit it:

For all we know a giant dodo will pop out of Dalamud and let one rip and that's how the world ends. Point is we don't know yet that's why people are speculating and guessing you don't need cold hard facts to back up everything you say its nothing more than a guess there's no reason to get all anal and serious about it

[DrJackal]

seeing that Odin is shown in the CGI opening i think his role will be much bigger than the other primals
at least since the current team have clearer view of the game future storyline
his role will probably extend at least until the 1st expansion

[Soukyuu]

Joking aside at one point in the newest trailer something huge falls from the bottom of Dalamud and slams into the ground killing garlean soldiers and there's a quick clip of Dalamud's surface starting to rupture. I'm placing bets the object that fell is the true threat.

Unlikely. It looks like one of the "crosses" that are planted on Dalamud, probably just one of the seals.

Based on these speculations, any way the Echo can be contributed to the theories? I really can't come up with anything, but it was never brought up.

Well in the Gridanian storyline it is claimed that the Echo is a gift of Nophica, but maybe it's just because it's their goddess (aka "a gift from God").

Main storyline itself has some hints that the Archons have the same powers as us and they are suggesting we search for the one who gave us the powers... then you see an owl flying away in the last cutscene. I'm not good on the symbols of the Twelve, but doesn't that suggest that we are indeed chosen by one of the Twelve? And if it's someone hiding behind the symbols representing the Twelve, there might be a 13th someone...

[TenraiNagi]

Something that confuses me is the general satisfaction with the results of the final battle in "To Kill A Raven" among Urianger and Louis. They both show up at the same time and nod at the same time (which makes me think that they are both in the same "Circle" of friends if you catch my drift). They acknowledge that the player has done good but we know very well that Urianger is very convinced that regardless of what we do, destruction is coming. Louis' plots so far have had little to do with the imperial invasion and more to do with returning the balance of the Aether.

This is one of the weirdest things that I've noticed as well. It doesn't really look like they nod in agreement... It's more like Urianger whispers something to Louisoix, then Louis nods. But during that moment Everyone is so happy and jumping and doing all the emotes in the game, while both of them don't even clap for you and just stand back "observing". And what happens in the end? oh the same thing that happened to Garuda... Nael Dues Darnus get absorbed by Dalamud. I think that even the other members of the circle of knowing do not know what those two are up to, and are being played like the rest of us. Unless of course, it is an act? (But I have no reason to believe that, I honestly think Yda, Papalymo, Thancred, and Y'shtola are genuinely good people.)

[MrKupo]

Don't jump into the middle of a conversation without paying attention to what I was talking about. I think OP's theory is interesting and based on evidence. Ramesses' theory about a thirteenth deity is completely groundless as he's given nothing to back up his wild theories, just a theory out of the blue that he can't say WHY he thinks it.

Now kindly go away if you're only going to pay attention to HALF the conversation.

I read your posts. I respectfully disagree and frankly find it very unconvincing. Even before anyone countered your argument (I believe I was the first to actually say anything) you were convinced that no one was listening to you. The thread isn't about arguing against other people's speculation. It's about everyone contributing their own theories, evidence, and reasoning. I like these threads because I can chime in and try to make sense of ideas, bring forth more evidence, etc. I read your first post, saw the flaw, and chose not to say anything. When I started seeing that you were criticizing other people's speculation, I decided your ideas should be questioned just as much as you are questioning others.

Now don't get me wrong, I do like some of your speculation. You do refuse to see that there are things other than evidence that can merit speculation. Ramesses said somewhere that ancient Mythology generally has some sort of opposing force (yin yang, angel devil, odin loki, zeus hades). To this reasoning, we can find it not entirely farfetched that a similar deity could exist in this lore too. Hence the speculation of the 13th. It's not "evidence", it's reasoning. It's also philosophy 101.

Also, I'll get into whatever conversation I damn well please. Don't tell me what to do in a public forum. If you don't like it, message people privately. This place is public for a reason.

[ThePatriarch]

Interesting...

thanks OP