Tanaka or Yoshi?

[Zenaku]

I hate/love tanaka.I have no feelings for yoshida, he is just a "face" for PR.The team he have is still the same that tanaka had, but they have time now.Then again lately im leaning to think yoshida is worst than tanaka for the easy way out he keeps taking with the current fixes.
Besides tanaka is a legend who screwd up, yoshida is a new guy with everything to prove.And yet people love him, when he have done nothing at all yet, sorry no the small fixes could have been done without him at all.

Tanaka never failed We all know that CEO and stockholder hurry them up. They set a bold time of 2010 release and if that not the case then CEO still hurry them up. In gamecoms the game was what only 60% or less done? i knew a 2010 was to hurry to release. This game was better off release 2011 and beta testing it right now for a nov release. Maybe Tanaka dream would come out better. what he said was really nice only if we could have saw it like he did.

Yoshi-p is not a bad guy also but he pretty no one in the company but he doing a ok game. i just hope it don't become a solo type game.

[Zkieve]

Tanaka never failed We all know that CEO and stockholder hurry them up. They set a bold time of 2010 release and if that not the case then CEO still hurry them up. In gamecoms the game was what only 60% or less done? i knew a 2010 was to hurry to release. This game was better off release 2011 and beta testing it right now for a nov release. Maybe Tanaka dream would come out better. what he said was really nice only if we could have saw it like he did.

Yoshi-p is not a bad guy also but he pretty no one in the company but he doing a ok game. i just hope it don't become a solo type game.

Game failed big time, tanaka was producer = tanaka failed.

[gifthorse]

Game failed big time, tanaka was producer = tanaka failed.

Your equation (tanaka=fail) is simplistic and a feeble approximation at best. It requires more terms and variables to represent the true case.

[Kaboushi]

Your equation (tanaka=fail) is simplistic and a feeble approximation at best. It requires more terms and variables to represent the true case.

Agree to that

[Zenaku]

Game failed big time, tanaka was producer = tanaka failed.

Seem like your blind like everyone here who hate on Tanaka did not fail he just needed more time if you can't see that then your blind. i had enough with this topic there both good in there own way but i still go with Tanaka because he made FFXI and more then 70% yoshi-p is doing is tanaka stuff he had there for months. lets see how yoshi-p does when there no left over paperwork and he have to do it himself.

and for all we know yoshi-p could be a face and tanaka is really doing everything its not like we in the building seeing.

the one who need to take blame for is CEO but you can't blame the person who own the company so best thing to do is blame tanaka and he did it for the company.

[Zkieve]

Seem like your blind like everyone here who hate on Tanaka did not fail he just needed more time if you can't see that then your blind. i had enough with this topic there both good in there own way but i still go with Tanaka because he made FFXI and more then 70% yoshi-p is doing is tanaka stuff he had there for months. lets see how yoshi-p does when there no left over paperwork and he have to do it himself.

and for all we know yoshi-p could be a face and tanaka is really doing everything its not like we in the building seeing.

the one who need to take blame for is CEO but you can't blame the person who own the company so best thing to do is blame tanaka and he did it for the company.

people should learn to read, read my first post , im not blaming anyone im saying the leader should take responsabilities for their screws up. if your team fail you fail. it is really that simple.
edit, and yes yoshida is a face, is what i said initially.read the whole thin before going into the "you wrong" bandwagon.

[gifthorse]

people should learn to read, read my first post , im not blaming anyone im saying the leader should take responsabilities for their screws up. if your team fail you fail. it is really that simple.
edit, and yes yoshida is a face, is what i said initially.read the whole thin before going into the "you wrong" bandwagon.

The trouble with blaming one person is that it serves to suggest that the firing of said person will alleviate all the problems. However, if the biggest problems with the previous development team was not the person leading the team, but instead a combination of time restrictions, low staff numbers, underfunding... well then it stands to reason that blaming Tanaka and firing him for the state of the game will not solve anything. In fact it might only perpetuate the issues further.

Some people need the reassurance that everything was someone else's fault, and they like this someone to take responsibility, but from my perspective, the only thing responsible for the game's failing is a series of chain reactions. Cause and effect. Nobody is solely responsible, and the biggest culprit is probably time-constraints rather than an individual person's failings.

If fiscal backing and time constraints were the biggest factors influencing the game's success or failure, then nobody, Tanaka or otherwise, could have made a better game by September 22nd without simply making a graphical upgrade of FFXI and using all the same network code etc. And if that approach was taken, then the game would have had limited market potential and would likely have failed just as badly as FFXIV, and without the room for improvement.

[Zkieve]

The trouble with blaming one person is that it serves to suggest that the firing of said person will then alleviate all the problems. If the biggest fault of the previous development was time restrictions, low staff numbers, underfunding, then it stands to reason that blaming Tanaka and firing him for that will not solve anything.

Some people need the reassurance that everything was someone else's fault, and they like that someone to take responsibility, but from my perspective, the only thing responsible for the game's failing is a series of chain reactions. Cause and effect. Nobody is solely responsible, and the biggest culprit is probably tim- constraints rather than an individual person's failings.

If fiscal backing and time constraints were the biggest factors influencing the game's success or failure, then nobody, Tanaka or otherwise, could have made a better game by September 22nd without simply making a graphical upgrade of FFXI and using all the same network code etc. And if that approach was taken, then the game would have had limited market potential and would likely have failed just as badly as FFXIV, and without the room for improvement.

Not saying i disagree. But i lead a company and if thins go wrong you can bet your ass my employs certainly wont get fired or be blamed , i would.In the end it was tanaka´s project same as it is now yoshidas project.For small screw ups you can blame someone within .For screw ups such as this. The leader gets it. Is how it works.
edit;If i take on a project and i see i can not handle it as a leader , the wise decision would be to step down.Leting thins get out of hand like they did with this , it is his fault. that alone makes him guilty.Eighter for pride or for being inept as a leader.

[gifthorse]

Not saying i disagree. But i lead a company and if thins go wrong you can bet your ass my employs certainly wont get fired or be blamed , i would.In the end it was tanaka´s project same as it is now yoshidas project.For small screw ups you can blame someone within .For screw ups such as this. The leader gets it. Is how it works.

Regardless of whether that's 'how it works', the point is that's not how it 'should work'.

Understanding the problem and then responding accordingly is the best approach rather than performing PR stunts which further deteriorate the game and impose themselves upon the update schedule.

Act conscientiously, not conventionally.

[Zenaku]

people should learn to read, read my first post , im not blaming anyone im saying the leader should take responsabilities for their screws up. if your team fail you fail. it is really that simple.
edit, and yes yoshida is a face, is what i said initially.read the whole thin before going into the "you wrong" bandwagon.

not saying your wrong just saying but you can't really say your team fail because of the person when the CEO told them to hurry up and told them it's not ready yet. If i was tanaka i would have done the same step down and take blame for my CEO but at the end the person i would blame for ffxiv failing is the CEO i never like that guy to start with when they said 2010 release i knew it have to be CEO or stockholder hurry them up. But w/e remember that SE read the forums so does yoshi-p

Yoshi-p doing a great job but at the end it paperwork that Tanaka had done before let's see how he would do 1-3years from now and where this came be. i hope he does good for the best of the game.