Deus Darnus, Thaliak, Louisoux and Dalamud [Speculation Thread with Spoilers]

[Ramesses]

Actually, my OP theory can swing in favor of a thirteenth deity as well. I merely went the route with Louisoix based on the runestone locations and the staff insignia.

There isn't anything solid connecting these points of my own theory as well other than speculation, and a Thirteenth deity is equally as plausible.

Thank you very much Alerith, I was just about to respond to this.

Punainen, you must understand in the first place that this is the whole FUN of speculation... drawing hints and clues into suggesting various scenarios that lead to a conclusion. Ever since SE released information about the gods/goddesses of Eorzea I've always been following the lore... and yes, Im even one of those that went to visit all the god stones that came with patch 1.23.

The whole idea of the Twelve possibly being Thirteen was one that I even alluded to not only on FFXIVCore but also on my personal blog back in June 2010... I won't delve into my speculations there cuz that's a whole different discussion. But for any great story speculation, one should always think critically outside the box... remember this is a Final Fantasy title were talking about.

First off, the Twelve cannot be masters of all without some kind of element that opposes them. It is part of what gives them a reason for existence and it gives us all a chance to see them exhibiting their power; be it to protect or destroy us. Heck, there might even be an entire pantheon of evil gods that we don't know about.

Point is, first time I suspected this was when I began wondering about who created Thailiak, Nald'thal and his brother Oschon... Nyemia and Althyk I could understand being manifested themselves (since those two control time, space, fate etc). But who created those ones and why? Was there a celestial catastrophe (as is sometimes the case) that necessitated them being created?

I know my mythology prettyy darn good... and one re-occurring factor to make any mythological lore have a solid foundation is to have the presence of an opposing deity. Gives reason to their divine existence, maintains "balance", sustains the lore. Call it the "Ying-Yang" factor if you will.

[Punainen]

Actually, my OP theory can swing in favor of a thirteenth deity as well. I merely went the route with Louisoix based on the runestone locations and the staff insignia.

There isn't anything solid connecting these points of my own theory as well other than speculation, and a Thirteenth deity is equally as plausible.

No its not equally as plausible, because your theory at least hinges on SOME form of evidence we can see in game and sneak peeks and other information. This 'thirteenth diety' hinges on NOTHING but some guy guessing there will be a thirteenth.

[Punainen]

Thank you very much Alerith, I was just about to respond to this.

Punainen, you must understand in the first place that this is the whole FUN of speculation... drawing hints and clues into suggesting various scenarios that lead to a conclusion. Ever since SE released information about the gods/goddesses of Eorzea I've always been following the lore... and yes, Im even one of those that went to visit all the god stones that came with patch 1.23.

The whole idea of the Twelve possibly being Thirteen was one that I even alluded to not only on FFXIVCore but also on my personal blog back in June 2010... I won't delve into my speculations there cuz that's a whole different discussion. But for any great story speculation, one should always think critically outside the box... remember this is a Final Fantasy title were talking about.

First off, the Twelve cannot be masters of all without some kind of element that opposes them. It is part of what gives them a reason for existence and it gives us all a chance to see them exhibiting their power; be it to protect or destroy us. Heck, there might even be an entire pantheon of evil gods that we don't know about.

Point is, first time I suspected this was when I began wondering about who created Thailiak, Nald'thal and his brother Oschon... Nyemia and Althyk I could understand being manifested themselves (since those two control time, space, fate etc). But who created those ones and why? Was there a celestial catastrophe (as is sometimes the case) that necessitated them being created?

I know my mythology prettyy darn good... and one re-occurring factor to make any mythological lore have a solid foundation is to have the presence of an opposing deity. Gives reason to their divine existence, maintains "balance", sustains the lore. Call it the "Ying-Yang" factor if you will.

See, you still give absolutely NO rhyme or reason toward your speculation. And that's not the fun of it...you need SOMETHING that would actually lead you to believe it for it to be a plausible theory.

Otherwise, if we want to use your method of explanation, I could say that its just as plausible that "I think there's gonna turn out to be TWO of every NPC, like they all have even twins! Why would they implement this? Whats my basis for this theory?? I have no idea! Blind speculation is the fun of it!"

You think there may be a thirteenth deity because.....? If you can't answer this question, then it isn't a plausible theory.

[MrKupo]

See, you still give absolutely NO rhyme or reason toward your speculation. And that's not the fun of it...you need SOMETHING that would actually lead you to believe it for it to be a plausible theory.

Otherwise, if we want to use your method of explanation, I could say that its just as plausible that "I think there's gonna turn out to be TWO of every NPC, like they all have even twins! Why would they implement this? Whats my basis for this theory?? I have no idea! Blind speculation is the fun of it!"

You think there may be a thirteenth deity because.....? If you can't answer this question, then it isn't a plausible theory.

It seems you have decided on what you are believing and completely closed your mind to anything else. The reason you don't see reasoning in his argument is because you refuse to look. To be honest, I think their arguments are much stronger than yours.
Just look at your main point (the one that you lean all of your ideas on as if it were fact), it refers to the Ashen Staff not being Ashen. But there are multiple meanings to the word. The primary interpretation might be that it is a Black Staff. One may even say it is simply ashy. But ash connotes black (death), gray (fire), and white (fallout). You assume that the "Ashen Staff" is a staff made of an ashen tree.

[Ramesses]

Now you're just trolling, Punainen... an objective of the forums is to have polite conversations that exhibit critical thought. I will be succinct in establishing that you've plain refused to allow yourself to examine this with some cognitive thinking... the adage holds true that common sense is not common.

Thus, I will not even dignify your post with a response.

@ Mr Kupo, I thank you most kindly for being able to see exactly what I was referring to... and for pointing out a couple of the flaws in that person's arguments. Alerith's theory both here and on his blog also make a very interesting point, making us us wonder which of our NPC heroes are possible avatars of the gods... or perhaps all of us, (including Cid, Merlwyb and Raubahn) are even being deceived on a couple things as well...

[Alerith]

Alerith's theory both here and on his blog

I apologize for derailing this topic slightly, but what blog do you refer to? ._.

[Ramesses]

I apologize for derailing this topic slightly, but what blog do you refer to? ._.

Ahhh, my mistake Alerith... I was referring to Cloudio Onizuka's blog

[SuzakuCMX]

I think Dalamud is an egg that holds within it Bahamut. Douche Nasus had to charge up Megaflare for an awfully long time, probably to pray to Bahamut to use it. I think that 10 years ago when the Empire last tried to summon Dalamud, Sharlayan knew about it and therefore summoned Shinryu AKA the dragon that currently lies dead in Mor Dhona to oppose Bahamut, and it stopped them from summoning Dalamud/Bahamut's Egg, though unfortunately the Empire had enough manpower to kill it. They also had to spend a long time (10 years) to gather up all the aether they needed to summon Bahamut again.

[Alerith]

I think Dalamud is an egg that holds within it Bahamut. Douche Nasus had to charge up Megaflare for an awfully long time, probably to pray to Bahamut to use it. I think that 10 years ago when the Empire last tried to summon Dalamud, Sharlayan knew about it and therefore summoned Shinryu AKA the dragon that currently lies dead in Mor Dhona to oppose Bahamut, and it stopped them from summoning Dalamud/Bahamut's Egg, though unfortunately the Empire had enough manpower to kill it. They also had to spend a long time (10 years) to gather up all the aether they needed to summon Bahamut again.

Midgardsormr, not Shinryu.

[Punainen]

It seems you have decided on what you are believing and completely closed your mind to anything else. The reason you don't see reasoning in his argument is because you refuse to look. To be honest, I think their arguments are much stronger than yours.
Just look at your main point (the one that you lean all of your ideas on as if it were fact), it refers to the Ashen Staff not being Ashen. But there are multiple meanings to the word. The primary interpretation might be that it is a Black Staff. One may even say it is simply ashy. But ash connotes black (death), gray (fire), and white (fallout). You assume that the "Ashen Staff" is a staff made of an ashen tree.

Don't jump into the middle of a conversation without paying attention to what I was talking about. I think OP's theory is interesting and based on evidence. Ramesses' theory about a thirteenth deity is completely groundless as he's given nothing to back up his wild theories, just a theory out of the blue that he can't say WHY he thinks it.

Now kindly go away if you're only going to pay attention to HALF the conversation.