Deus Darnus, Thaliak, Louisoux and Dalamud [Speculation Thread with Spoilers]

[Ramesses]

Great theories Alerith... and some of the conclusions remind me of Onizuka's thread HERE

In that thread I also underlined my suspicions that the Twelve may have originally been Thirteen (something that I mentioned about two years ago in the FFXIVCore forums)

One of the awesome things about the various updates the devs have been doing so far is adding some interesting backstory... most of the time we are too much in a haste to actually read the text during missions/quests; but I'm one of those who likes to go back and re-read as much material as possible. Lots of thought-provoking hints there.

I'm very curious to see what 1.23a has for us in a couple days... Omega, Ultima, Bahamut, Darnus, the god stones, identities of the Twelve, Ishgard's strange "silence" (I'm calling it again, ONE of the Twelve is hiding there!)

[ChiefCurrahee]

Odin.

Odin will the the entity called forwarth from Dalamud.

If I recall my FF lore Odin has been the bringer of ragnarok, aka judgement day, aka, the end of the world. A little research into Odin mythology reveals Odin is often accompanied by 2 ravens and 2 wolves.

In FFXIV we have Neal Van Darnus "The White Raven" and Gaius van Baelsar "the black wolf"

Lets not forget about Gaius van Baelsar, maybe he's the one to finish what Van Darnus has started.

At any rate I believe Odin is the being jailed away in Dalamud, and is the reason for bringing the red moon down upon Eorzea.

[Ramesses]

Nods... yep, you said it Currahee. There was even a recent thread about a possible connection between Odin and Solus zos Galvus.

Lets not forget the Garlean Emperor and his "mission" to purge the world of primals... something doesn't add up. This a guy who (very mysteriously) gets a hold of the secrets of Magitek and overnight transforms his nation into a very formidable empire. I keep wondering what kind of "Divine" help he had while building Garlemald into a powerhouse.

And once he established his Imperial army, he then selected his two (best?) generals to be his Raven and Wolf... symbols sacred to none other than Odin.

Then he goes loco on Ifrit, Garuda and all their "relatives"... even though he knows that when he kills them, they get (absorbed?) by Dalamud? Could he trying to resurrect a the remaining part of himself that was locked away by the Twelve?

[MrKupo]

Odin.

Odin will the the entity called forwarth from Dalamud.

If I recall my FF lore Odin has been the bringer of ragnarok, aka judgement day, aka, the end of the world. A little research into Odin mythology reveals Odin is often accompanied by 2 ravens and 2 wolves.

In FFXIV we have Neal Van Darnus "The White Raven" and Gaius van Baelsar "the black wolf"

Lets not forget about Gaius van Baelsar, maybe he's the one to finish what Van Darnus has started.

At any rate I believe Odin is the being jailed away in Dalamud, and is the reason for bringing the red moon down upon Eorzea.

I like that you brought Odin up but I actually believe that Odin would more likely not be imprisoned in Dalamud. If it was Bahamut that was in there (thinking back, some say that Nidhogg was awaken by the activation of Dalamud), I feel our best chances of stopping an attack would be Odin (who I believe is the Human's patron primal).

On a side note, I found more possible evidence that Dalamud holds a primal:
In the article "Dalamud Nigh" by Twin Adders the Raven, there had been another recording of Dalamud glowing red...

I finally came upon that which I sought: a reference to a blood-red Dalamud from ten summers past. On the night in question, an archer on duty at a guard station in the East Shroud noted that the lesser moon was giving off a reddish glow and promptly reported the development to Stillglade Fane. This anomaly, however, proved to be fleeting; by the time dawn broke, Dalamud had reverted to its normal hue, with scarce more than a handful of souls having borne witness to the baffling occurrence.

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...ews/num05.html
Now if you remember the main story quest, what happened 10 years ago? The primals were awaken and the Garlean ship was taken down by Midgardsormr over Mor Dhona. So it is possible that 10 years ago, when the primals were awaken, so was the primal that is imprisoned in Dalamud, thus prompting Dalamud itself to activate (to keep the primal in check)

[Alerith]

Odin.

Odin will the the entity called forwarth from Dalamud.

If I recall my FF lore Odin has been the bringer of ragnarok, aka judgement day, aka, the end of the world. A little research into Odin mythology reveals Odin is often accompanied by 2 ravens and 2 wolves.

In FFXIV we have Neal Van Darnus "The White Raven" and Gaius van Baelsar "the black wolf"

Lets not forget about Gaius van Baelsar, maybe he's the one to finish what Van Darnus has started.

At any rate I believe Odin is the being jailed away in Dalamud, and is the reason for bringing the red moon down upon Eorzea.

While I agree Odin being imprisoned in Dalamud is plausible, I do not agree with the line about Gaius Van Baelsar finishing what Darnus started, mostly for two primary reasons:

1) Gaius completely and utterly disagreed with Darnus. So much in fact, that during the GC Misson "Don't Hate the Messenger", he went so far as to not attack you and voice his doubts in Darnus's intentions.

2) Gaius is the current main antagonist of the Main Storyline Scenario. We must not forget that this whole 7th Umbral Event is technically a separate storyline from the main scenario. In this way, Gaius cannot really have too much of a dramatic impact on it, lest it distort how he is presented in the main scenario.

It's similar to the mini Primal fights. For "It Kills with Fire" and "In for Garuda Wakening", these quests are specific to the Grand Companies and the 7th Umbral Storyline.

From what I understand, in the main storyline, you technically haven't fought them. You've had an audience with Ifrit in the mission "Lord Errant" but none of the Primal fights currently in the game have been involved in the primary scenario.

[ArkNova]

I like Ramesses' assumption that there could of been 13 gods/goddesses. Where is the god or goddess of death and decay?

[Punainen]

I like that you brought Odin up but I actually believe that Odin would more likely not be imprisoned in Dalamud. If it was Bahamut that was in there (thinking back, some say that Nidhogg was awaken by the activation of Dalamud), I feel our best chances of stopping an attack would be Odin (who I believe is the Human's patron primal).

On a side note, I found more possible evidence that Dalamud holds a primal:
In the article "Dalamud Nigh" by Twin Adders the Raven, there had been another recording of Dalamud glowing red...
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...ews/num05.html
Now if you remember the main story quest, what happened 10 years ago? The primals were awaken and the Garlean ship was taken down by Midgardsormr over Mor Dhona. So it is possible that 10 years ago, when the primals were awaken, so was the primal that is imprisoned in Dalamud, thus prompting Dalamud itself to activate (to keep the primal in check)

Though if you're a member of the Twin Adder, you'll know from the quest Two Vans are Better Than One, that the reason it went red 10 years ago is because 10 years ago, Garlemald tried to use meteor, but gave up when they realized they couldn't control where Dalamud would land. Hence, Dalamud grew red as they began to summon it, but then went back to normal when they gave up.

[Punainen]

Great theories Alerith... and some of the conclusions remind me of Onizuka's thread HERE

In that thread I also underlined my suspicions that the Twelve may have originally been Thirteen (something that I mentioned about two years ago in the FFXIVCore forums)

One of the awesome things about the various updates the devs have been doing so far is adding some interesting backstory... most of the time we are too much in a haste to actually read the text during missions/quests; but I'm one of those who likes to go back and re-read as much material as possible. Lots of thought-provoking hints there.

I'm very curious to see what 1.23a has for us in a couple days... Omega, Ultima, Bahamut, Darnus, the god stones, identities of the Twelve, Ishgard's strange "silence" (I'm calling it again, ONE of the Twelve is hiding there!)

I never hear you back up your 'thirteen instead of twelve' theory with ANY evidence. Sounds like completely blind speculation.

[Alerith]

I never hear you back up your 'thirteen instead of twelve' theory with ANY evidence. Sounds like completely blind speculation.

Actually, my OP theory can swing in favor of a thirteenth deity as well. I merely went the route with Louisoix based on the runestone locations and the staff insignia.

There isn't anything solid connecting these points of my own theory as well other than speculation, and a Thirteenth deity is equally as plausible.

[Skies]

I like Ramesses' assumption that there could of been 13 gods/goddesses. Where is the god or goddess of death and decay?

The gods of Death are Nald and Thal, actually. Not specifically decay, but they are the deities of Death (or well, Nald'Thal as they're considered a single entiety)