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Yes a lot of stigma comes from the simple fact if you hop over the BG forums FFXI section, you see open discussion and support for Clipper and Plugins that give you an advantage in end-game -- while someone said "we have to use windower for basic ffxi features" I don't remember ever playing an MMO that allowed me to run through walls and use a 'fill mode' type system as a standard or even accepted additional feature unless it was a bug.
We're not talking about Drawdistance or Tparty, so I guess the line between "shady 3rd party" and "standard 3rd party" has been heavily blurred in recent years. Given the benefit of the doubt, Windows itself would be considered 3rd party program -- that's why it carries a certain weight when you ask a question like that.
wholeheartedly disagree. Its fascinating to see the communities feelings on endgames LS's. At some points the tread has veered off in a odd direction (3rd party app's) but what i particularly found interesting was peoples perceptions of the app process and the "catch-22" issue. I for one hope more people comment.
side note. LMAO at the "do it live"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khbel2p7ou0
Last edited by RoosterAgathos; 08-09-2012 at 12:41 AM.
http://www.bluegartr.com/ has never hosted hacks for FFXI, lol.
http://www.bluegartr.com/forums/53-F...e-New-Standardhttp://www.bluegartr.com/ has never hosted hacks for FFXI, lol.
Openly talks about using them however.
Let's take this silly quote, and look at it a moment.. especially the part about being subject to perception.Not every linkshell suits everyone. Some of us like social, some others like small or big guilds, some others are casual and this is a hardcore (focused on results) one.
How they do things and what is wrong or right is just subject to perception... a personal point of view... so I don't understand why attacking other's options will make lead to something productive. You won't change them so it's pointless.
Just let them recruit what they need, the way they want. I'm pretty sure there are other players out there that will fit in here.
Tolerance should start in oneself...
This may not be the case when it comes to FFXIV.. however..
Would you be willing to say that using bots, hacks, and anything to get an unfair advantage over other linkshells, especially in HNM, which is also against ToS and can get you sued, or banned, merely 'subject to perception' and not actually wrong? Well, it IS wrong. The question in the app seems suspicious enough, but having the namesake of the former Bahamut LS was going to get them this kind of flak from the very outset of this endeavor.
Also, why the hell is this thread still on the front page?
So?
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Last edited by AsterBarnivere; 08-09-2012 at 01:35 AM.
We do not use or encourage bot use, the bot craze in 11 happened -after- we moved to WoW. The question on the app is referring to parsers/fraps/xsplit etc. Discussion over.
We also do not run, or have anything to do w/ any 11 bot discussion that may or may not happen on bluegartr.com We have been separated from them as a guild for years now and use our own site.
Last edited by Twentytwo; 08-09-2012 at 01:46 AM.
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