Order of the Blue Garter: Open Recruitment Season

[AsterBarnivere]

It's not the achievement, it's rubbing their alleged greatness in people's faces and treating everyone that hasn't achieved as much as them as some sort of lower class of people. Fortunately, not everyone in the LS is like that, but the cases where it has happened stick out like a sore thumb. I do see a genuine interest by some to change that perception, but it's going to take a while (that about page has got to go, as I said- that's too far). They can do it if they really want to though, and I recognize a few people like the OP who aren't intending to rub things in, as it were.

You never did CC!? *kicked*
You never did AV? *kicked*
You never did DH? *kicked*
You never did Ifrit, Garuda, Moogle!? *kicked*
How dare you be in a LS other than ours!? *kicked*
Not using add-ons and bots!? *kicked!* HOW DARE YOU FOLLOW SE's TERMS OF SERVICE!?

[Yucie]

If they truly wanted a laid-back and relaxing atmosphere they wouldn't even make apps a requirement in the first place.

[Jennestia]

If they truly wanted a laid-back and relaxing atmosphere they wouldn't even make apps a requirement in the first place.

Even though I have nothing against them personally I remember viewing their app requirements once and it said you had to submit a video of your gameplay and gearsets -- whether that was joking or not it's very offputting for the 'layman' gamer who may be seeking an end-game shell.

[Yucie]

Even though I have nothing against them personally I remember viewing their app requirements once and it said you had to submit a video of your gameplay and gearsets -- whether that was joking or not it's very offputting for the 'layman' gamer who may be seeking an end-game shell.

LOL. Really? I hope that's a bad joke.. or these people are really far too full of themselves.

In order to inspire a laid-back atmosphere, it should be an LS that is ready to take on new members, and prep those members for endgame in whatever ways they can. Applications are stupid, silly, and not necessary.

In XI, to apply to -any- shell, you pretty much needed an app which could include:
Job lists
Gear lists
Content you've done
Content you've never done
your best-geared job
idle, PDT, MDT, TP, WS sets, etc
list of merits
and all sorts of other stupid shit that was never really necessary to put on an app.
And if you lacked access to certain content.. well.. then good luck on getting access in the shell you're in. More often than not, you'd be left in the dust and you'd have to play catch-up on your own.

Applications are silly.

[AdvancedWind]

You never did CC!? *kicked*
You never did AV? *kicked*
You never did DH? *kicked*
You never did Ifrit, Garuda, Moogle!? *kicked*
How dare you be in a LS other than ours!? *kicked*

An endgame shell not accepting people that never even tried doing endgame content?

Preposterous!

[Yucie]

An endgame shell not accepting people that never even tried doing endgame content?

Preposterous!

We're losing the primal battles as they are now, which is essentially half of the 'endgame' content we currently have.
Aside from that, the rest is mostly spammable dungeons that you speedrun, and none of them are quite enjoyable in any form.
As I stated previously, a shell looking for a laid-back atmosphere should be willing to accept people who've never done the content. In turn, you teach them, they hopefully get better, and your LS grows that much tighter together.

But no, lets restrict people from content they've never done.. so they can never do it! That's a ridiculous notion.

[AdvancedWind]

We're losing the primal battles as they are now, which is essentially half of the 'endgame' content we currently have.

But there's going to be new primal battles and there's a pretty recent interview where they pretty much state that the strategies required to win are going to be pretty much the same (I guess that what they meant is that the actual fighting part will be more or less the same thing.). So, yeah, I don't see how that's an argument against requirement in any way.

Aside from that, the rest is mostly spammable dungeons that you speedrun, and none of them are quite enjoyable in any form.

if people don't like and or don't want to do the dungeons, and don't like / don't want to do the primals....then why would they apply to a linkshell dedicated to do that stuff?

As I stated previously, a shell looking for a laid-back atmosphere should be willing to accept people who've never done the content. In turn, you teach them, they hopefully get better, and your LS grows that much tighter together.

This is something I sort of agree. However, I believe that having minimal endgame experience is not such a weird requirement for an endgame shell, hence my previous post.

Also, being competitive and goal oriented doesn't mean the actual atmosphere inside the shell can't be pretty laid back or fun.

But no, lets restrict people from content they've never done.. so they can never do it! That's a ridiculous notion.

Content they could've done with friends, casual linkshells or other groups like PUGs* before applying for something that requires prior knowledge and experience on them?

*I understand that many PUGs reject people without prior experience, and that indeed sucks. But that's not really relevant for why a linkshell would do the same, it's a different thing.

[Krausus]

We're losing the primal battles as they are now, which is essentially half of the 'endgame' content we currently have.
Aside from that, the rest is mostly spammable dungeons that you speedrun, and none of them are quite enjoyable in any form.
As I stated previously, a shell looking for a laid-back atmosphere should be willing to accept people who've never done the content. In turn, you teach them, they hopefully get better, and your LS grows that much tighter together.

But no, lets restrict people from content they've never done.. so they can never do it! That's a ridiculous notion.

laid back atmosphere and end game shell are not mutually exclusive. Sure they have a tight application process, and they want competent players willing to go the extra step to get end game loots, that doesn't mean the LS atmosphere is all serious business.

Instead of talking shit (the jealousy is frighteningly obvious) if the shell is not the place for you then simply move on.

[Alhanelem]

An endgame shell not accepting people that never even tried doing endgame content?

Preposterous!

You're being sarcastic, but real endgame often proves nearly impossible to break into. If you haven't done it, nobody lets you do it. Therefore the endgame population is effectively capped to those who have "already done it."

I had this problem in WoW. I wanted to get into endgame so I started looking for guilds to join. I needed to do endgame to get better gear than what I had. Guess what though? Every guild sad "sorry your gear score isn't high enough." So I need to do endgame to get better gear, but I can't do endgame because I don't have better gear. (Yes, in WoW, gear has a point value and if you don't have a high enough score nobody will let you do anything. Yet it's impossible to score higher without doing the things they aren't letting you do. It's a massive catch-22.)
I eventually quit WoW because the only thing I could really do was PvP with randoms- and while I do like PvP, I'd rather do it with a group of people I'm familiar with. So not being able to enjoy 90% of the content in the game at the time, I quit.

More shells need to take a fair look at people who may not have done events before, but really want to.

[YuriSan]

You never did CC!? *kicked*
You never did AV? *kicked*
You never did DH? *kicked*
You never did Ifrit, Garuda, Moogle!? *kicked*
How dare you be in a LS other than ours!? *kicked*

If you didnt do those things you would prolly be better off in a social shell, an endgame shell wont be interrested in ya.
and that is only fair cause the endgame shell been there done that already, they dun wanna start doin' it again for you dude.