Good time to buy stock in Square-Enix?

[Mijin]

You people are being foolish. 2.0 does not have to Redeem SE it only has to become profitable.

Stock prices do not move on what gamers think of a company.

SE stock has most likely hit it's low point.

There is literally 0 chance of the company going under.

They are not losing money, they are simply not earning as much as they normally do.

Anyone who has the money to let sit in a stock for 5 years would be a fool not to buy in to SE right now.

That's not true, if 2.0 fails you will see another huge loss in the companies earning forecasts(just like in 2010) which effects stock value. That was the point I was trying to make.

It's worth pointing out that contrary to your opinion, the company is loosing money, you can read about it here: http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/...ions-imminent/

Also, don't go around calling people foolish. It's rude, unnecessary, and even more frustrating when you're dead wrong about the point you were trying to sound so cool making. Also personally attacking people is against the ToS, and most importantly if I'm not allowed to do it I most definitely don't want someone like you to get away with it.

[NefarioCall]

It's always a gamble! When Ford stock dropped to almost nothing I pulled all the money from my 401k and invested it all, and walked away with huge gains, but I do not see that situation here. You are more likely to lose and if you come out ahead it will be modest. I like what I am seeing about 2.0, but I just don't know if I am willing to wager on it's success.

..and SE will never be that kind of stock. Just the same way that a steel manufacturing company that makes the car parts will never be the car company itself. They're completely different. So ... no ... this isn't a golden opportunity like those... but i have a hard time finding any reason to think that the stock value will drop further than it has ... and then, even if 2.0 isn't a wild success, SE is the kind of company stable enough that over 5 years, it should be able to pick up the pieces.

That's not true, if 2.0 fails you will see another huge loss in the companies earning forecasts(just like in 2010) which effects stock value. That was the point I was trying to make.

While a quality product does not always lead to success, it is an important factor. I suppose you could always 'wait it out' and see what the general reaction to Beta is through the end of 2012. I mean, if SE isn't going to fold, they also aren't going to make the full gains they could make back by the end of this calendar year. You might end up being able to buy lower into a company that will still come back, or you end up buying a little higher and making a smaller profit margin when you sell.

[Lstkaws]

..and SE will never be that kind of stock. Just the same way that a steel manufacturing company that makes the car parts will never be the car company itself. They're completely different. So ... no ... this isn't a golden opportunity like those... but i have a hard time finding any reason to think that the stock value will drop further than it has ... and then, even if 2.0 isn't a wild success, SE is the kind of company stable enough that over 5 years, it should be able to pick up the pieces.



While a quality product does not always lead to success, it is an important factor. I suppose you could always 'wait it out' and see what the general reaction to Beta is through the end of 2012. I mean, if SE isn't going to fold, they also aren't going to make the full gains they could make back by the end of this calendar year. You might end up being able to buy lower into a company that will still come back, or you end up buying a little higher and making a smaller profit margin when you sell.

There is always a chance the stock could drop. If 2.0 fails they will have invested a lot of money and not be able to recoup. If Versus is not released it could also cause a drop. FF titles are the flagship for SE, if the FF titles take a hit so will the stocks. To put in perspective, consider the losses that would be caused by a FFXIV 2.0 complete failure. The costs of development and hardware alone would be significant. That being said SE could still rebound from such an incident. If you believe in it...then get some skin in the game.

Yes this is certainly not a situation like the auto companies, but I always respect someone who is willing to put there money where their mouth is.

[NefarioCall]

To put in perspective, consider the losses that would be caused by a FFXIV 2.0 complete failure. The costs of development and hardware alone would be significant. That being said SE could still rebound from such an incident. If you believe in it...than get some skin in the game.

I suppose my thoughts are EXACTLY this. Though there is no proof that SE could rebound from a 2.0 failure, let us say that they can. Of course this is a fallacy in my argument that i am taking it for given ... perhaps there are numbers to back it up, but i don't have them. Anyway, if we say that SE can rebound from a 2.0 failure, then even in that situation the relative low point of the current value would likely be exceeded in a 5 year span. Then, in a situation where the stock values will eventually exceed where they are now, even if they manage to drop beyond their current value, the end result is still a gain.

The difference of course being the size of the gain from the buying point. This is by no means a winning lottery ticket, but it is still a gain over enough time. ... that is unless the company folds.

[Valmonte]

I suppose my thoughts are EXACTLY this. Though there is no proof that SE could rebound from a 2.0 failure, let us say that they can. Of course this is a fallacy in my argument that i am taking it for given ... perhaps there are numbers to back it up, but i don't have them. Anyway, if we say that SE can rebound from a 2.0 failure, then even in that situation the relative low point of the current value would likely be exceeded in a 5 year span. Then, in a situation where the stock values will eventually exceed where they are now, even if they manage to drop beyond their current value, the end result is still a gain.

The difference of course being the size of the gain from the buying point. This is by no means a winning lottery ticket, but it is still a gain over enough time. ... that is unless the company folds.

they wont recover from another loss by choice not by lack of resources. Square now has 3 MMO's to milk if one of them fails no biggy.

[Lstkaws]

I suppose my thoughts are EXACTLY this. Though there is no proof that SE could rebound from a 2.0 failure, let us say that they can. Of course this is a fallacy in my argument that i am taking it for given ... perhaps there are numbers to back it up, but i don't have them. Anyway, if we say that SE can rebound from a 2.0 failure, then even in that situation the relative low point of the current value would likely be exceeded in a 5 year span. Then, in a situation where the stock values will eventually exceed where they are now, even if they manage to drop beyond their current value, the end result is still a gain.

The difference of course being the size of the gain from the buying point. This is by no means a winning lottery ticket, but it is still a gain over enough time. ... that is unless the company folds.

I wouldn't call it a terrible investment, but to be honest if I was going to invest in SE I would be hoping for a 2.0 failure. This would further depress the stock (at this point I would buy) then I would hope for a huge turnout on versus and the following FF title. I may be a bit skittish because I seriously considered investing prior to FFXIV's release. I would have taken a considerable hit. Not entirely because of XIV, but just SE overall took a hit.

[Kiote]

That's not true, if 2.0 fails you will see another huge loss in the companies earning forecasts(just like in 2010) which effects stock value. That was the point I was trying to make.

It's worth pointing out that contrary to your opinion, the company is loosing money, you can read about it here: http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/...ions-imminent/

Also, don't go around calling people foolish. It's rude, unnecessary, and even more frustrating when you're dead wrong about the point you were trying to sound so cool making. Also personally attacking people is against the ToS, and most importantly if I'm not allowed to do it I most definitely don't want someone like you to get away with it.

First of all, I didn't personally attack anyone. Calling the general attitude of people foolish is not against the ToS. Secondly, you should learn to vet your sources. Do you honestly believe it is in anyway reasonable that a company as big as SE would be expecting a meager 12 million dollar profit? That's absurd, most companies make that off a single game. Even more ridiculous, do you actually think a company expecting a meager 12 million dollar profit can take a 150 million dollar loss and not fold? You very clearly do not know what your talking about and you should probably do more than type in google if you want to know the truth about something.