Will DRG and PLD still be next to useless in 2.0?

[Estellios]

@Meatdawg have you guys managed to do 17 minute speed runs with melee DDs? I'm just curious since you guys are some of the better players on the server. My LS doesn't get to play too often and we are still on the Hamlet Defense phase, after deciding that running without anyone in 1st or 2nd is a waste of time. Very few of our members actually have BLM leveled up and it would be great to not need it since we're all pretty good players. I figure it would mostly revolve around using Invigorate early so when you get to "stopping points" where you gotta AOE your TP is ready. Bosses should be no issue with a group that knows what they are doing.

Also don't ever do -Enmity melds (it's a total waste) as melee. I don't play mages so I can't comment on how good it is there. ;x

It's more a matter of "there's really not much to be done with the waist slot" for mages. Militia belt never comes off my WHM, though.

[Meatdawg]

@Meatdawg have you guys managed to do 17 minute speed runs with melee DDs? I'm just curious since you guys are some of the better players on the server. My LS doesn't get to play too often and we are still on the Hamlet Defense phase, after deciding that running without anyone in 1st or 2nd is a waste of time. Very few of our members actually have BLM leveled up and it would be great to not need it since we're all pretty good players. I figure it would mostly revolve around using Invigorate early so when you get to "stopping points" where you gotta AOE your TP is ready. Bosses should be no issue with a group that knows what they are doing.



It's more a matter of "there's really not much to be done with the waist slot" for mages. Militia belt never comes off my WHM, though.

We don't use drg's on either simply because so many of us job swap to speed up the runs. Ideally you want the drg to be able to maintain PS3. Miser dies in less then 2 min so it's much easier to throw mnks at it. BLM's are used to speed up the runs by aoe everything.

I have seen other LS use drg in their speed runs so I know it can be done but for use we just had something that was already working so no real need to change it up.

[Estellios]

We don't use drg's on either simply because so many of us job swap to speed up the runs. Ideally you want the drg to be able to maintain PS3. Miser dies in less then 2 min so it's much easier to throw mnks at it. BLM's are used to speed up the runs by aoe everything.

I have seen other LS use drg in their speed runs so I know it can be done but for use we just had something that was already working so no real need to change it up.

Yea we figured Miser would be about killing her before she moves since without her adds she's fairly harmless.

My LS is excited to go try AV again now that we all have much better gear than before. Thanks for the info =)

[Req]

Yea we figured Miser would be about killing her before she moves since without her adds she's fairly harmless.

My LS is excited to go try AV again now that we all have much better gear than before. Thanks for the info =)

Too bad she likes to spawn the adds right on top of the party for the last 30%. Your whm better be ready to kite some hardys.