"The Adventures of RNG!" Top 3 Hamlet Provisioner

[Eagleheart]

the time and frustration it takes to get seals and the time and frustration it takes to master the other content is comparable.

You know for someone that spouts "commonsense" so much I would think I wouldn't have to explain that. Humph imagine that.

The two are not comparable, especially considering how each successive victory in the Vale, or Cutter's, or Garuda/Ifrit EX are to the benefit of all present, and not one (or two) every other run.

I would think that a person would put a little more effort into their replies on a topic like this than "oh yeah?! Well... you're a jerk!", but I guess not.

[Eagleheart]

All of this is aside the actual point, in my opinion, and that being that Hamlet Defense isn't fun. But this is endgame, fun is aside the point, right?!

There are achievements to be had, and commoners to lord them over!

[Krausus]

The two are not comparable, especially considering how each successive victory in the Vale, or Cutter's, or Garuda/Ifrit EX are to the benefit of all present, and not one (or two) per run.

I would think that a person would put a little more effort into their replies on a topic like this than "oh yeah?! Well... you're a jerk!", but I guess not.

how are they not comparable? It's probably gonna take your average joe just as long to master a 17 minute speed run as it takes a group of 8 to get all their seals. This doesn't even take into account gearing up enough to even be able to do it.

[Krausus]

All of this is aside the actual point, in my opinion, and that being that Hamlet Defense isn't fun.

I like it well enough, are you speaking for the whole community?

[Kinseykinz]

if skill isnt needed why do people rage so much about "requiring" top 3s and top 20s and how hard it is to do that cuz they cant get 60k without it

that sounds like a challenge to me, and skill needed to keep 60k without

but make excuses, keep blaming others for the fact you cant get seals, or gear

or do what some do also, ignore the gear drops completely cuz seals are all that matter

I've said several times now... we get 60K WITHOUT a provisioner... last night in Aleport no provisoner =62K runs...

Again the point was just having a Top 3 provisioner should = more reward for the effort. Otherwise, we are better off NOT crafting/gathering mats and using that same time to run 1-2 more hamlets...we'd get the same results. Which is fine, we won't waste our time anymore provisioning the hamlets...but if more Mid-core people decide to do the same thing, the whole Hamlet stucture fails.

Having a level 2 hamlet RELIES on having large numbers of turn-ins...so those who turn-in should get a decent reward for the effort...the better the reward, the better the higher the numbers will be on turn ins=stable Hamlets Level 2 (or even higher when the higher ranked ones are introduced)

So fine, SE can keep it as is....as more LS's and people realize attempting to get a Top 3 position (or top 20) isn't worth their time, less will turn in...as less turn in Hamlets will drop to level 1 status. Then no one will get seals. Unless they go in the top 3....Catch 22 anyone?

[Eagleheart]

I like it well enough, are you speaking for the whole community?

A vast portion of it, yes. It is safe to speak tongue-in-cheek about combat content revolving around primarily non-combat classes.

[Krausus]

I've said several times now... we get 60K WITHOUT a provisioner... last night in Aleport no provisoner =62K runs...

Again the point was just having a Top 3 provisioner should = more reward for the effort. Otherwise, we are better off NOT crafting/gathering mats and using that same time to run 1-2 more hamlets...we'd get the same results. Which is fine, we won't waste our time anymore provisioning the hamlets...but if more Mid-core people decide to do the same thing, the whole Hamlet stucture fails.

Having a level 2 hamlet RELIES on having large numbers of turn-ins...so those who turn-in should get a decent reward for the effort...the better the reward, the better the higher the numbers will be on turn ins=stable Hamlets Level 2 (or even higher when the higher ranked ones are introduced)

So fine, SE can keep it as is....as more LS's and people realize attempting to get a Top 3 position (or top 20) isn't worth their time, less will turn in...as less turn in Hamlets will drop to level 1 status. Then no one will get seals. Unless they go in the top 3....Catch 22 anyone?

seals are not the only reason to get top 3.

[Kinseykinz]

seals are not the only reason to get top 3.

Again, hats are nice...gear is nice...90% of the people doing hamlets would give up the hats for 1 seal. So yeah, most people doing turn-ins are after the seals...

That being said, after 13 runs with a top 3. Got like a crazy amount of Ebonknots and 2 seals...no gears. So we could go the whole 'where's my Cutter's Hat' arguement too if you'd like. But you'd probably tell me people who don't have the patience to grind top 3 provisioner for eons, don't have the right to wear it. But the person who got it on their first attempt as a top 3 on the first clear does...

[TimonLoon]

I would like to see someone argue against a token system.

Anybody at all.

They cant and they won't. It's a far superior system to what is currently in place for Hamlet.

[Judge_Xero]

They cant and they won't. It's a far superior system to what is currently in place for Hamlet.

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I sure hope I have my 9 seals before my "Completed 1000 Hamlet Defense" Achievement
Token system..yes please.

I see nothing wrong with having a token based system. The rest of the quest (Meld aside) is skill based, so although there is the RNG for random seals. A token system to represent dedication/effort would be ideal

Again, make it so tokens are obtained from 65k + scores, so it can be a combination of Top 20 and teamwork on the field.
Have the "Time" in Hamlet have a larger effect on overall score. Quick and effecient completion (proper HP Down execution etc) currently does nothing except increase Hamlet per/hour.

the system as is isnt the issue
again, you seem to think you NEED to have a provisioner to make progress, you dont
the problem is, without one, you DO NEED SKILL to steadily get 60k points per run

yes, skill, challenge, something everyone is denying that is needed to do this

and time, yes, you need time, and if you dont have time for this, you dont have time for 17 minute runs, cuz you dont have time to practice to get to the point of doing them

Hey TheVedis, I don't seem to think anything in that manner.

In the bigger picture than "top 3 provisioners get rewarded with a % on seal drops for themself", there is the underlying issue of Hamlet Level. Collecting the mats to raise the Hamlet level should give larger rewards. Without people striving for top 3/top 20 we would be stuck at Lvl 1 Hamlet. So good luck getting your 9 seals doing 32k runs.

So people say, "Why are you complaining about Top 3/Top 20 Drops" while they benefit from the fact that the Hamlet is Lvl 2, and thus making it possible for others to possibly get their seals. They should be saying, "Wow that does suck, but we really appreciate you working so hard and gathering mats, because it really benefits the rest of the community"