Tanaka or Yoshi?

[gifthorse]

and we're the ones who are paying for it.

SE wishes.

amirite?

[Captaindownsyndrome]

Tanaka did a poor ass job, and his so called vision was a joke everyone can ware rank 50 gear at rank 1, can solo the whole game, he put nothing in game that make it fill like final fantasy game the jobs were different there no chocobos or airships, cut pasted whole land scape, no quest, made areas mix with mobs of all levels, he mix the class abilities were no one had a role in a party. this game in bad shape because of Tanaka.

Yoshi was given a sinking ship a lot people dont get that. This game will not be gold standing at least not for along time and that because of piss poor job that Tanaka did hell when we all called him on it he just shoved his head further up his rear. Is Yoshi the saver of ffxiv that still up in air. But let stop acting like Tanaka was doing a great job. Tanaka may did few thing right (i cant really think of any really may be being able change class on fly) but cant say he doing great job because of that its like trying enjoying a rainbow when the damn sky is falling.

end of rant

[gifthorse]

Tanaka did a poor ass job, and his so called vision was a joke everyone can ware rank 50 gear at rank 1,

This system was in favour of realism and freedom. The optimal rank system was a way to discourage people from wearing clothes they weren't fit for, but at the same time gave them the option to wear any clothes they wanted.

Besides, can you envision any other kind of system working within the confines of the armory system? Every time you switched weapon, all your gear would have to be stripped off you.

can solo the whole game, he put nothing in game that make it fill like final fantasy game the jobs were different

The class system was meant to facilitate players into defining their own roles and jobs, Final Fantasy or otherwise.

there no chocobos or airships, cut pasted whole land scape, no quest, made areas mix with mobs of all levels, he mix the class abilities were no one had a role in a party. this game in bad shape because of Tanaka.

Saying it is all Tanaka's fault is pretty narrow sighted when chocobos and airships are certainly all part of the vision. Unfortunately they dont have unlimited manpower at their disposal to implement all these things, do they?

By the way, people still have roles in parties. I dont know what game you're playing, but try tanking an NM as an archer LOL. Good luck with that. Try healing as a lancer LOL.

While there is certainly room for improvement, improvement cannot happen instantly. The system itself isn't flawed. The team simply hasnt had enough time to strike the right balance.

Yoshi was given a sinking ship a lot people dont get that.

The game was far from perfect, but at least the sinking ship had a direction. If Yoshi ever manages to keep the boat afloat, it will only ever remain lost at sea, barely keeping adrift. Tanaka was actually trying to take us somewhere.

this game will not be gold at least not for along time and that because of piss poor job that Tanaka did hell when we all called him on it he just shoved his head further up his rear. Is Yoshi the saver of ffxiv that still up in air. But let stop acting like Tanaka was doing a great job. Tanaka may did few thing right (i cant really think of any really may be being change class on fly) but cant say he doing great job because of that its like trying enjoying a rainbow when the damn sky is falling.

I dont deny that Tanaka condoned a lot of stupid crap: inexcusable copy-paste, repetetive guild leve system, solo story-mode questing.

But I've yet to see Yoshi address any of these issues except to support their continuation. In fact, all ive ever seen Yoshi do is poll players like a mindless imbecile and add in a lot of insulting and detrimental features.

[Suirieko]

Tanaka was involved in some great games for SE before, (prominent examples including Secret of Mana, Chrono Cross, first three final fantasy games, Xenogears, Seiken Densetsu 3, and obviously Final Fantasy XI) so I really have nothing against him. It makes sense that he was under pressure to get FFXIV out the window, and he took the responsibility for it, which took a lot of guts.

As for Naoki Yoshida, I'm very curious to see how he will do. I'm not even sure what his game history is save a couple of games (and I'm told one of them is a hentai, heh) , but I did notice that Final Fantasy XIV is his first and only SE project that he was involved with, which makes it interesting. So far, I'm liking how he's doing as the Producer/director, and can't wait to see more.

Personally, I'd like to see the two of them work together, along with the folks that were involved in one of FFXI's best expansion, rise of the zilart.

I dont deny that Tanaka condoned a lot of stupid crap: inexcusable copy-paste, repetetive guild leve system, solo story-mode questing.

To be fair, a lot of the early story mode quests were soloable until you get to later part which required multiple people in FFXI. We're still in the very early part of the game, and for all we know, we will see what we currently have as the very bare beginning of the story in what is to come.

Edit:

I will agree with one thing, there were a LOT of bad ideas with FFXIV that made me go wtf (one of the biggest is the fact that anyone can wear anything with little restriction.) but eh.

[gifthorse]

Being able to wear anything works fine in the game and I don't see why that's a problem. I always dress down when I am playing a low level character and dress up when on a high level character. But at least I don't have to be so utterly pedantic about it as per every other MMO.

Many games actually don't have strict gear restrictions, and I personally don't see how FFXIV could function with a restriction system in place.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

@ gabbagabba tbh I never was like that. Or felt like that. Maybe with ff8 but that was it. ff games were very linear imo. I hate how I was stuck on paths and couldn't explore anything. I'm more of a Zelda fan tbh. I was able to explore the world at my liesure for the most part. I loved wind waker due to you had a cute boat and ocean to move around in.

I liked that about ff11 though. It being my first and longest time on an mmo. Tbh though I wouldn't mind an mmo that was similar to the one out of the .hack games and anime. Which is how i found out about mmorpg. >.> kinda silly :P
As for yoshi or tanaka. I pick the one who can keeping bringing players into the game no matter how old the game gets. I want to pick an mmo I can play till 1 server shut down or 2 I die. I liked ff11 for its community. It had a very friendly community for the most part and is imo what an mmo should be like. But I would like it to be more friendly to the various time limits ppl have so more can enjoy the game.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

umm cpt. in just about every ff game minus 10 and 10.2
everyone of your character could do everything. no one had a set role. ff14 was suppose to let ppl make their own classes. Or fit any role needed in the party. That way you are looking for players NOT job/ classes which is a flaw in ff11. not fun waiting several hours for a pld or ninja or a rdm.

to add with the fatigue system it sort of made everyone level everything equally so they can switch on the fly to what the group needed. With the point allot system ppl were told and encourage NOT to min/max but to balance out. Since min/maxing prevented making your own class as well as the ability to change on the fly.

[Peregrine]

You can't say Yoshi-P doesn't know how to drive a boat somewhere until he tries. All you can say is that he hasn't documented much driving. Maybe he has a lot of fresh ideas to bring to the genre. Then again maybe he's like 95% of MMORPG players who think their ideas are the best thing since ATB but in reality they're kinda crazy poorly-thought out messes when it comes to actually making them work. We'll see shortly.

Don't be surprised if Yoshida runs the boat into a few sand bars though. You don't just up and find Tanakas sitting around unknown to the gaming world in your own department. In all fairness Tanaka is probably a top-15 producer in the world regarding videogames.

However, if Yoshida does kick this genre in the ass and drives a mean boat...he should probably be the next president of the company once we get rid of Wada.

[Captaindownsyndrome]

By the way, people still have roles in parties. I dont know what game you're playing, but try tanking an NM as an archer LOL. Good luck with that. Try healing as a lancer LOL.
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you know what I meant smart ass they should be more defined to one role you really are reaching what ever if it stays as it is it will fail. Tanaka F%^ked up, he did a great job on ff11 but he half assed ff14 and there really isnt a better word for it. he new what worked yet he used none of what he knew which baffles the hell out of me why go in such a wild direction.

[Randis]

you know what I meant smart ass they should be more defined to one role you really are reaching what ever if it stays as it is it will fail. Tanaka F%^ked up, he did a great job on ff11 but he half assed ff14 and there really isnt a better word for it. he new what worked yet he used none of what he knew which baffles the hell out of me why go in such a wild direction.

Dude, you don't know anything about his job at all.