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    First, I will agree with you that these essentially patchless patches are making the game look bad to players who have stopped playing. They see the small relatively meaningless updates, or the quests which got bad reviews, or the spell size adjustment which was never the critics' concern, and they're turned off.

    However, small piddly fixes get finished first. Large, broad strke fixes get finished last. That's inevitable. There is no sense in delaying piddly fixes that you have completed (unless you're talking about those quests which should never have passed quality control).

    What do you do? There's a good alternative. And it includes Yoshi-P's strong points. Talking.

    The holiday event should be released, but prefaced with the notification that Square Enix knows this does not represent the solution, and the holiday has not delayed "the solution." If the holiday is preceded by that remark, instead of fringe players drawing the opposite conclusion that Square thinks a holiday IS the solution, then the image of a small release looks better. Players understand that and appreciate the honesty. The issue becomes a problem when it looks like SE is hyping content above and beyond that content's caliber. Then players start to shake their heads and figure Square Enix continues to be out of touch.

    So, the answer is not to stop releasing small patches, but to make it CRYSTAL clear that the small patches do not reflect even a decent portion of the team's efforts to improve the game, and that they need to call small, relatively menial patches exactly that. Up front. They need to say it before we say it.

    That will go a long way.

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    I will also say THIS:
    No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    What do you do? There's a good alternative. And it includes Yoshi-P's strong points. Talking.

    The holiday event should be released, but prefaced with the notification that Square Enix knows this does not represent the solution, and the holiday has not delayed "the solution." If the holiday is preceded by that remark, instead of fringe players drawing the opposite conclusion that Square thinks a holiday IS the solution, then the image of a small release looks better. Players understand that and appreciate the honesty. The issue becomes a problem when it looks like SE is hyping content above and beyond that content's caliber. Then players start to shake their heads and figure Square Enix continues to be out of touch.

    So, the answer is not to stop releasing small patches, but to make it CRYSTAL clear that the small patches do not reflect even a decent portion of the team's efforts to improve the game, and that they need to call small, relatively menial patches exactly that. Up front. They need to say it before we say it.

    That will go a long way.

    There's zero reason for Yoshi to apologize every time the team releases an update. A house is made of many bricks, not four slabs of concrete. Rushing through the development process was what got SE into this mess - continuing to do it isn't going to help. The best thing they can do right now is work as quickly as they can within their quality assurance guidelines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post

    There's zero reason for Yoshi to apologize every time the team releases an update. A house is made of many bricks, not four slabs of concrete. Rushing through the development process was what got SE into this mess - continuing to do it isn't going to help. The best thing they can do right now is work as quickly as they can within their quality assurance guidelines.
    Uh, yeah there's very much a reason for him to apologize at every update until there's a smash hit. That reason is that 3/4 of this game's population quit because the game's content was substandard, and 9/10 of this game's expected population never even tried it because of its horrible reviews.

    You...you are a gross minority. Don't tell them what they do and don't need to apologize for as someone they obviously still have. Dead people, and absent people, aren't here to disagree with you. If they were, you'd be drowned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    Uh, yeah there's very much a reason for him to apologize at every update until there's a smash hit. That reason is that 3/4 of this game's population quit because the game's content was substandard, and 9/10 of this game's expected population never even tried it because of its horrible reviews.

    You...you are a gross minority. Don't tell them what they do and don't need to apologize for as someone they obviously still have. Dead people, and absent people, aren't here to disagree with you. If they were, you'd be drowned.
    There's absolutely no reason to apologize for releasing content (the "substandard" part is entirely your arbitrary personal judgement, and they sure don't need to apologize over your very personal, and I would say unrealistic, expectations) and fixes of a game in a reasonable timeframe. That's exactly what they're doing. They owe no apology to no one for that.

    They need to do exactly what they are doing. Working. Instead of wasting time to boost overgrown egos with unnecessary and unwarranted apologies.
    Communication needs to be made of facts, not of negativity and bootlicking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    There's absolutely no reason to apologize for releasing content (the "substandard" part is entirely your arbitrary personal judgement, and they sure don't need to apologize over your very personal, and I would say unrealistic, expectations) and fixes of a game in a reasonable timeframe. That's exactly what they're doing. They owe no apology to no one for that.

    They need to do exactly what they are doing. Working. Instead of wasting time to boost overgrown egos with unnecessary and unwarranted apologies.
    Communication needs to be made of facts, not of negativity and bootlicking.
    Hyperbole hyperbole hyperole.

    Need I say more.
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    I think a more reasonable breakdown would be:

    20% current players
    70% former players
    10% new players

    New players just don't care. They have no reason to. You don't even get the new players' attention yet until this game starts creating its own buzz. New players dropped the idea of playing this game back in October, man. They barely even remember this happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    I think a more reasonable breakdown would be:

    20% current players
    70% former players
    10% new players

    New players just don't care. They have no reason to. You don't even get the new players' attention yet until this game starts creating its own buzz. New players dropped the idea of playing this game back in October, man. They barely even remember this happened.
    I find it funny how you always seem to think you know exactly what every single person is thinking.
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    to pere any chance you stop the venom before it eats you alive?
    There is no need to act the way your acting. Did it ever occure that you are taking this to seriously and personal? it is a video game. Not malpractice.

    How about go cool off on another non mmo game for a while till the game is what you want. And before you said I don't know how you feel. I bought CE I look at the cover of it everyday. Yet i can't play it. Not only that its got nothing but picky ppl playing. The game woulda had content if ppl would shut up about every lil issue. Learn the system instead of demaning change. So you owe us an appology for being demanding change stop anything from getting added.
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