New 50 looking for help (Trash/AoE tanking + gearing)

[Efreet]

pieces of the set drop with 60k in hamlet defense. the Armet (helm) is a 100% drop from LL if you have over 60k, which is very possible without a provisioner. The chest piece is more rare, but is also from LL. I believe the gloves are from Golden Bazaar, and the feet are from Hyrstmill.

Sorry if this is a bit offtopic but I thought I would ask here since you're speaking about Hamlet and its drops. I assume by 60k points, you mean the total at the end of the fight right? I just read a bit about Hamlet and that's what I assumed. My questions is about the Hamlet itself! How easy is it to get 60k points? And what factors how the points are calculated? How much you provide in the "preparing for fight" phase?? My friend only as a BLM and MNK leveled to 50, and from what I saw the parties only take Tanks, WHMs and DoL/DoH. Is there a way to fit him in? Also how accessible is Hamlet to someone who hasn't done any end game? I only did DH yesterday and it was 5 man and the time ran out after Ogre fight (which we did win) but that's the only real end game content I really did beside Natalan.

Sorry for the loads of questions and I appreciate everyone's help! Thank you!

[SwordCoheir]

60k is the minimum to get the best chest (which is always guaranteed to drop a head piece), as far as gaining points there are a huge number of factors that can both get you and lose potential points. Here's a list of some objectives for points

-Killing all 3 special NM's
-Not dieing
-Not losing any Archers
-Not losing any Carts
-Using /rally on all the Archers
-Using /psych on yourself
-Using /laugh on the beastman Leader
-Not having more than 2 of any job.
-Getting all 3 buff/debuff combinations and enmity resets for both DoL and DoH.
-Having all 3 buffs or debuffs up at the same time.
-Killing the beastman leader last.
-Equipping a lv.~10/broken weapon (only recommended for DoL and WHM/s)
-Having someone within the group in the top contributors listing
-Beating Hamlet with +5 minute left.

And the level of the hamlet will multiply that score (IE: Earning 20k points in level 3 hamlet gets multiplied to 60k) save for the time bonus.

So technically you don't need to do anything just make sure the hamlet is at level 2 in order to obtain the 60k, having a top contributor only helps reach it without as much trouble.

[Molly_Millions]

My friend only as a BLM and MNK leveled to 50, and from what I saw the parties only take Tanks, WHMs and DoL/DoH. Is there a way to fit him in?

he could go, but wouldn't be much help. You actually don't want players to be killing mobs, you get more points if the NPCs do it. Ultimately, anyone going in as something other than WHM, tank or DoL/DoH is going to make the fight more difficult. It can be done though, I've taken a BRD in place of a WHM and still got 60k.

[Efreet]

60k is the minimum to get the best chest (which is always guaranteed to drop a head piece), as far as gaining points there are a huge number of factors that can both get you and lose potential points. Here's a list of some objectives for points

-Killing all 3 special NM's
-Not dieing
-Not losing any Archers
-Not losing any Carts
-Using /rally on all the Archers
-Using /psych on yourself
-Using /laugh on the beastman Leader
-Not having more than 2 of any job.
-Getting all 3 buff/debuff combinations and enmity resets for both DoL and DoH.
-Having all 3 buffs or debuffs up at the same time.
-Killing the beastman leader last.
-Equipping a lv.~10/broken weapon (only recommended for DoL and WHM/s)
-Having someone within the group in the top contributors listing
-Beating Hamlet with +5 minute left.

And the level of the hamlet will multiply that score (IE: Earning 20k points in level 3 hamlet gets multiplied to 60k) save for the time bonus.

So technically you don't need to do anything just make sure the hamlet is at level 2 in order to obtain the 60k, having a top contributor only helps reach it without as much trouble.

Thanks for the list Been wondering about the factors which decides the points for Hamlet! Thanks a lot Sword ! I will probably start doing Hamlet after doing Ifrit/Moogle for a few times.

he could go, but wouldn't be much help. You actually don't want players to be killing mobs, you get more points if the NPCs do it. Ultimately, anyone going in as something other than WHM, tank or DoL/DoH is going to make the fight more difficult. It can be done though, I've taken a BRD in place of a WHM and still got 60k.

Ahh I see then lol. I guess he will just have to level his WHM to 50 XD. Thanks a lot for your help Molly Appreciate it!

[SwordCoheir]

Just as a bit of advice Hyristmill is probably the easiest of the 3, and I highly recommend you DON'T take on Limsa as your first venture through.

[Efreet]

Just as a bit of advice Hyristmill is probably the easiest of the 3, and I highly recommend you DON'T take on Limsa as your first venture through.

Will keep that in mind, thanks!

I tried skirmish with my LS today but kept failing on Tree boss (last one). Overall, I think I'm getting the hang of it but I seem to have a bit of a hard time with hate reset moves and damage mitigation. Any tips on those while we are at it ?

Again thanks to everyone helped I appreciate it!

[Tman]

Mitigation comes with familiarizing yourself with your own cooldowns. Most say don't use both Divine Veil and Sentinel together, you want to stagger these for maximum mitigation potential. Rampart is kinda meh since Def suffers so severely. Don't use Aegis Boon while Stoneskin is up and don't cast it on yourself if you plan on using Aegis Boon. Which Stoneskin works wonders with sentinel and veil. Another thing that makes you a rather sturdy tank is being able to cure yourself, there are tons of tanks out there that will finish a fight with full mp, a sign of a bad (or lazy) tank in my book. A PLD will always have a need or a want to cure themselves, even if just for threat. Another decent self healing tool is to combine Bloodbath with Spirits Within. All in all its just familiarizing yourself with your own tools.

Hate resets are a whole different ball game, and quite honestly I think SE loves them too much, all you can really do is do as much threat as possible and hope your DD's play it smart and know when to back off. Saving both Provoke and Flash for those resets is definitely desired, as well as perhaps Rampart if those 2 are on cd and a reset happens again. 1 trick I try to time is managing to combo phalanx as a reset comes, but this is EXTREMELY hard to do, if not impossible. I've only ever really consistently managed it on CC, because he does an animation for Animal Instincts (the hate reset for him).

[PiedPiper]

Hamlet drops for tanks:

Ale port: Head, Body

Golden Bazaar: Feet, Neck

Hystmil: Hands, Legs

Any of these pieces can drop at 40k or more, with better chance at 50k and best chance at 60k. The boots are trash though, sent sabatons even single melded win. Hands are good pre hdl hands, and hat and body are great (IMO better than hdl if your build can support it) and the pants are excellent. Note I am an enmity stacker as opposed to damage stacker like Molly.

4k is a nice number, but 3.8 is enough to make you two-shot proof on any boss. I roll 3880 and have no issues tanking raids with solo whm.

If you're gonna do an enmity double, do it on your belt not sword. You can get tones of sword upgrades but a nice 40+ enmity belt will last forever. Personally, I suggest plds aim for 150+ enmity, 300+ mind and 3.8k+ HP. Str is ignorable if your enmity is up. (Mine is 229 lol). Vitality and defense will give you next to no returns on bosses. You will find that enmity stacking, as opposed to str, will help you hold trash pulls past the first flare drop. After that, if necessary, cover is your friend.

[Alerith]

Something important to remember Efreet, Paladin is one of those jobs where you can gear many different ways and still be effective.

Molly favors stacking Enmity and Strength whereas I favor Enmity and HP. Others till favor HP and DEF or Enmity and DEF. The important thing to note is that these each work for us and our playstyles, and you should experiment to find which one you favor.

[PiedPiper]

You will find that abilities alone get you to a 30% block rate, slightly better with boon. So specing into it with dex will be marginal compared gains from other stats. The same is true of bosses that it will again return marginally against bosses.

Now, on trash and rank 50 mobs, owing to dlvl, you will find that def bit and block rate can combine to make you take nearly no damage. Unfortunately what works in a spirit bond party will not work on Chimera. Also, the skirmish bosses are weaker than raid counterparts.