Relic Weapons-Broken Promises

[Riaayo]

It is very sad to me every time I see people in this community bunch up and begin arguing about this shit in a manner that seems oddly similar to the political debates going on.

"I have money so you should have money and if you don't you're lazy and that's the only reason." Being a notable attitude going on here.

The issue is that some of the Job's weapons require Materia that is more expensive than the other Job's, and that is imbalanced.

I personally do not think Gil should have any real place anywhere in the Relic Weapon quest and that it should all be very difficult fighting achievements, but that is MY opinion. What is not opinion though, is that these quests should be balanced between the Jobs so that no one Job is much more or less expensive than the others in this regard.

Things like Archer/Bard being more expensive to play because you have to buy ammo, or another job being expensive because the type of food it uses VS another class are usually things you will find out early on while leveling or know ahead of time, but the fact that at 50 your Relic will magically cost more than someone else's is not something a newer player is likely to pick up off the bat, and it's unfair to subject them to / punish them for that down the road when they really had no idea (nor is it fair to expect them to know it ahead of time).

So please, quit turning this kind of thing into the "have and have not" argument where everyone WITH shit calls the ones without lazy and the people without who ARE lazy bitch that everything should be handed to them or whatever. It causes people like me who just want good design and balance to get chewed out by people who don't even listen to what I have to say and just ASSUME I want everything handed to me when in fact I want what they want, just not through BAD design.

[Hyrist]

The issue is that some of the Job's weapons require Materia that is more expensive than the other Job's, and that is imbalanced.

This is merely due to the fact that some jobs share the same materia for their required melds. You can bypass this entirely by acquiring the materia through spirit binding, which would require no more time than getting melds for any other weapon. The fact that the melds are more expensive are only an additional barrier to those who only wish to buy their materia or weapon straight out, and a clear bypass is readily present.

No matter what, Relics are going to require time. Time some players simply will not have. If anything I would encourage SE to create job-specific alternatives that are more in line with AF weapons from FFXI for those concerned for a 'complete' appearance.

But as far as the investment required to finish Relics, my statements on the first page still stand.

Issues regarding Random Number Generator is an entirely different conversation, and many of us do not like Speed Runs nor Random drops verses a steady progression system.

[Viritess]

This is merely due to the fact that some jobs share the same materia for their required melds. You can bypass this entirely by acquiring the materia through spirit binding, which would require no more time than getting melds for any other weapon. The fact that the melds are more expensive are only an additional barrier to those who only wish to buy their materia or weapon straight out, and a clear bypass is readily present.

No matter what, Relics are going to require time. Time some players simply will not have. If anything I would encourage SE to create job-specific alternatives that are more in line with AF weapons from FFXI for those concerned for a 'complete' appearance.

But as far as the investment required to finish Relics, my statements on the first page still stand.

Issues regarding Random Number Generator is an entirely different conversation, and many of us do not like Speed Runs nor Random drops verses a steady progression system.

The unfortunate side effect of SB items is that meany of the other Materia. the ones you don't need for relic weapons, are in such supply that any market for them is unfortunately gone. It would have been i think a worthy goal to use any tier 4 materia that either had similar stats, or that job's Primary and secondary stat to give people more leeway in how many materia they need to create vs sucsess/explosion of the Class weapons.

If for relic we had a choice of 3-5 different Tier 4 materia. i think we wouldn't have to see such a flooded market for every other materia. Thus allowing a few more materia to retain some value.

What the current system has done is strip any value from many other materias and funnel all that value to certain ones. and place a large percent of that new value on the 1 materia used for 2 relics. And i find that a shame.

(Some fault lies on the "simplistic" stating for jobs as it is. rendering many materia borderline useless. But thats another thread entirely.)

[Quatre]

This is merely due to the fact that some jobs share the same materia for their required melds. You can bypass this entirely by acquiring the materia through spirit binding, which would require no more time than getting melds for any other weapon. The fact that the melds are more expensive are only an additional barrier to those who only wish to buy their materia or weapon straight out, and a clear bypass is readily present.

No matter what, Relics are going to require time. Time some players simply will not have. If anything I would encourage SE to create job-specific alternatives that are more in line with AF weapons from FFXI for those concerned for a 'complete' appearance.

But as far as the investment required to finish Relics, my statements on the first page still stand.

Issues regarding Random Number Generator is an entirely different conversation, and many of us do not like Speed Runs nor Random drops verses a steady progression system.

Great point. Except Some materia (Heavens' Eye IV) Is much more rare.