Letter from the Producer, XXXII (07/23/2012)

[Elexia]

Yes, I've been to Ul'dah, and no, I have not seen anyone say that.

Yeah I've never seen this, most exclusion I've seen is NA/EU players saying "Experienced Players only" in their shouts, which excludes pretty much anyone new to the game from participating in content. Japanese shouts generally consist of wanting people who can speak and communicate in Japanese because it makes things a lot more smoothly but they wouldn't outright deny people if they couldn't if they know you're a good player (you can tell good from bad players by how they compose themselves really.)

I see most JP leave out auto-translate because it's just a mess of a system mostly due to the Localization of the game itself, so while auto translates make sense when you do it from the English side, it doesn't exactly come across clearly to other languages, especially to Japanese because certain terms and names are different.

[Riv]

RMT here we come...

Yeah, i like how he left out the part about them all being RMT.

[Elexia]

Kay. I'll own that.

So what's your effing beef about me calling out FFXI's mistake in not tapping China's base then?.

There is no beef about it, I'm stating exactly why they didn't initially go after it. No company will do business with people who are purposefully trying to hurt it. This is why now it makes a lot of sense they're trying to tap into the market now that all of the issues are settled and they can work with a company to make it happen.

During the days when the chinese were DDoSing and mass hacking..honestly, it's not even "championing", it's common sense. They weren't DDoSing and hacking because it wasn't supported in China, they were doing it for money and "revenge" due to politics.

2005-2008 was then, 2012+ is now. There are legitimate reasons why they didn't initially try to support China and even had to go so far as to block their access that the legit importers had to jump through hoops to continue to play the game.

They would have had to make separate servers for them as well regardless of hacks or not, but you can't really think SE would have jumped at the chance to support them while that was the source of a lot of problems that ultimately caused SE to adapt the Token system.

I know people love to give SE flack for things, but they're still a business and have some sense of business politics lol.

[Hyrist]

There is no beef about it, I'm stating exactly why they didn't initially go after it. No company will do business with people who are purposefully trying to hurt it. This is why now it makes a lot of sense they're trying to tap into the market now that all of the issues are settled and they can work with a company to make it happen.

During the days when the chinese were DDoSing and mass hacking..honestly, it's not even "championing", it's common sense. They weren't DDoSing and hacking because it wasn't supported in China, they were doing it for money and "revenge" due to politics.

2005-2008 was then, 2012+ is now. There are legitimate reasons why they didn't initially try to support China and even had to go so far as to block their access that the legit importers had to jump through hoops to continue to play the game.

They would have had to make separate servers for them as well regardless of hacks or not, but you can't really think SE would have jumped at the chance to support them while that was the source of a lot of problems that ultimately caused SE to adapt the Token system.

Ok, let's get into specifics. I've no time to look it up, but wasn't Blizzard, in the same year spans in question, working with and setting up WoW Servers in China, when suffering form nearly identical issues?

It just feels like SE generalized due to the political climate, and suffered a huge loss with profit opportunity while doing so, regardless of other issues at the time.

Again, I'm not exact on my start date for WoW China servers, but the dealing at the very least had to be in the works during the issues with Chinese RMT and DDoS attacks - as Blizzard also adapted Security Tokens within the same 2 year span.

[Elexia]

Yep, they also had to stretch out development on even the localization of the first expansion pack to china due to their rules on undead and whatnot. Though given it was politics more so than anything, I doubt that would have phased Blizzard at all, but due to the fact China was attacking pretty much any Japanese company at that time, it was a different atmosphere.

[Tricksy]

XIV still has the potential to completely flop on a game design level.



Yeah, because a company jumps at the chance to work on a version for a group of gamers who continually DDoS'd and hacked people for quite a few years, right? >.>

I'm guessing you forgot SE had to place blocks on Korean and Chinese IP ranges for awhile to stop the DDoSing.

Oh Ele, how I love it when you start pwning left, right and center.

Even in other threads when you are pwning me, its still enjoyable to read. You just have ssuch charismatic pwning style.

Have you ever been to Ul'dah?
JAPANESE PLAYER ONLY

What's amusing is they type their entire /shout in Japanese, including all details about what they are doing, what jobs they need etc, so we can't even read it.. then end it with "JAPANESE PLAYER ONLY"

Its true this happens. And its fantastic to see.

I'm Xenophobic? The Fuck? Last I checked:



I'm pretty sure I know that RMT isn't everyone in China, especially considering I play Chinese MMOs and know quite a lot of Chinese players who wanted to play XI but never could because of the bad seeds.

So yeah, take your ignorant Xenophobic accusations elsewhere.

Im pretty sure I made "xenophpobic" happen. --> Mean girls pseudo reference

Yep, they also had to stretch out development on even the localization of the first expansion pack to china due to their rules on undead and whatnot. Though given it was politics more so than anything, I doubt that would have phased Blizzard at all, but due to the fact China was attacking pretty much any Japanese company at that time, it was a different atmosphere.

Wow intense.

So no one answered are the Chinise getting seperate servers?

[Kerwin]

All of my nope. Cause we need more gold farmers?
&
Still want my swim suits.

[Elexia]

Chinese would be getting separate servers and even game version (in a sense that it would be different than what NA/EU/JP would be playing).

That's pretty much the rule you have to follow when you do business with China gaming (MMO for sure) wise.

[Tricksy]

All of my nope. Cause we need more gold farmers?
&
Still want my swim suits.

SWIMSUITS!!!!!! <3 <3 <3

[Tricksy]

Chinese would be getting separate servers and even game version (in a sense that it would be different than what NA/EU/JP would be playing).

That's pretty much the rule you have to follow when you do business with China gaming (MMO for sure) wise.

WTF you changed your pic? My whole world is falling apart around me!