FFXI Dragoon No invites repeated

[Hyrist]

but you have the attitude of putting the group before yourself which is good, I'm specifically talking about folks that refuse to play any other class because they only want to play one class. I guess DRG is a bad example since it is good in just about any situation. Hamlets come to mind though which DRG is completely useless in.

But you do understand that I only want to play one class (at least, battle class) Right? I'm just willing to take that consequence if my specialization becomes unusable.

But the point of the game's content is to be accessible to all classes. If Dragoon is useless in Hamlet, then there needs to be something done to give Dragoon a use there. It does not have to be optimum, but the opinion should never be "Don't ever take [ x battle class] into [y event]." It can be a matter of who has an easier time, that's fine, but a person who sticks it out should still be able to be of use, instead of being completely useless.

Of course, by the time I get interested in Hamlet, I personally won't have a problem, as I'll have a DoH/DoL job to use. (I don't consider them to be classes worth exclusions.)

[Velhart]

But you do understand that I only want to play one class (at least, battle class) Right? I'm just willing to take that consequence if my specialization becomes unusable.

But the point of the game's content is to be accessible to all classes. If Dragoon is useless in Hamlet, then there needs to be something done to give Dragoon a use there. It does not have to be optimum, but the opinion should never be "Don't ever take [ x battle class] into [y event]." It can be a matter of who has an easier time, that's fine, but a person who sticks it out should still be able to be of use, instead of being completely useless.

Of course, by the time I get interested in Hamlet, I personally won't have a problem, as I'll have a DoH/DoL job to use. (I don't consider them to be classes worth exclusions.)

If you look back at the original concept of FFXIV, the point of the armory system was to change jobs on the go and prepare for any situation. SE tried to influence this concept on you so hard that they created a Fatigue system to get you to play multiple classes. However, that concept is not as strong as it use to be, and Yoshida is focusing on class/character uniqueness and making balanced party play for all jobs. This is really hard to do with the current Armory system, and hopefully it will be better designed come 2.0.

For 1.xx, you basically have one philosophy clashing together with the current philosophy, creating one giant unbalanced mess. Depending on how the system works in 2.0, I do believe that it will catered towards "Know the fights? Are you well geared? Know your job?", and that will be it. Not "Are you BLM?", unless you know, they already have your job in party and need a BLM to come.

In short, just deal with what it is right now, and see how it balances itself out in 2.0. Current Dev's are working with an overly complex program that is hard to deal with (one of the essential reasons 2.0 came to be). I will blame the Dev's however for making content that didn't cater to 1.xx's system, and for that reason, people get frustrated with the concepts, ending up taking the safe routes and finding any exploit they can. This is their biggest mistake in balance in my opinion.

[KoujiGeki]

Remember that game, FFXI? You know, the one where dragoons never got invites to parties? I am very, very disappointed that the no dragoon culture persists in FFXIV.

I'm relatively new to the 50 game and DRG was my first 50. I've done Ifrit. I've done Moogle. Despite this, I still have trouble getting into pug groups for these fights. What is wrong with everyone!?! Dragoons are amazing! Stop hating and start inviting. /endrant /thankyou

Drgs are amazing and they dont get the credit they deserve cause of this games horrible AoE fest, I fear even more for Dark Knight seeing as Drg has half of its own abilities and Drks usually have moves that hurt themselves, which sucks more cause whm dont wanna have to heal a dd right now, god help then when a job need more healing than a tank.

[Krausus]

But you do understand that I only want to play one class (at least, battle class) Right? I'm just willing to take that consequence if my specialization becomes unusable.

But the point of the game's content is to be accessible to all classes. If Dragoon is useless in Hamlet, then there needs to be something done to give Dragoon a use there. It does not have to be optimum, but the opinion should never be "Don't ever take [ x battle class] into [y event]." It can be a matter of who has an easier time, that's fine, but a person who sticks it out should still be able to be of use, instead of being completely useless.

Of course, by the time I get interested in Hamlet, I personally won't have a problem, as I'll have a DoH/DoL job to use. (I don't consider them to be classes worth exclusions.)

Yes I do but you are willing to step out instead of bitch and complain. Also concerning Hamlet I agree every class should be able to contribute but it doesnt change the fact that most classes are usless and will actually hurt progression if brought to hamlet. There is one thing to say "this sucks and should be changed" there is another to say "I dont care you should take me anyways". Also as for hamlet its not that some classes are better suited for hamlet its simply some classes have no use at all there is zero need for any damage in hamlet.

[Pwnznewbz]

I didn't expect this kind of conversation to start off what I said. I've seen a few people say things that I agree with completely.

-I like playing dragoon over other classes.
-I'm best with dragoon because I play it the most, so it benefits others to have me play this class.
-I do agree that not every NM fight (ie Ifrit, Garuda) require 5-6 dragoons. However, there is a huge difference between a group leader saying "I don't need dragoons because I have them" and "I'm only taking ranged dps bc dragoons are useless."
-I think leveling multiple classes is the part of any mmo, but I don't like that it feels mandatory. I'm not talking sub class ability mandatory (like sentinel for white mage mandatory), but rather mandatory to get a group to do anything. I just leveled my 2nd class to 50 (white mage). I like leveling multiple classes, I just don't like that it feels mandatory for groups.

Anyhow, this is a great discussion about the under valuation of dragoons.

[Krausus]

I didn't expect this kind of conversation to start off what I said. I've seen a few people say things that I agree with completely.

-I like playing dragoon over other classes.
-I'm best with dragoon because I play it the most, so it benefits others to have me play this class.
-I do agree that not every NM fight (ie Ifrit, Garuda) require 5-6 dragoons. However, there is a huge difference between a group leader saying "I don't need dragoons because I have them" and "I'm only taking ranged dps bc dragoons are useless."
-I think leveling multiple classes is the part of any mmo, but I don't like that it feels mandatory. I'm not talking sub class ability mandatory (like sentinel for white mage mandatory), but rather mandatory to get a group to do anything. I just leveled my 2nd class to 50 (white mage). I like leveling multiple classes, I just don't like that it feels mandatory for groups.

Anyhow, this is a great discussion about the under valuation of dragoons.

but I think Dragoon is a bad example because anyone that knows anything about this game knows that Dragoons are beast in most situations. There are a few exceptions such as AV speed runs simply because BLM power on coincutter + the ability to stay out of range of his melee AoEs and MNK power on mistress. And Chimera being mostly a ranged battle since it makes it so much easier. And then there is hamlet which isnt a dragoon specific issue its a no dps needed issue. If people are telling you no DRG on any other content then ignorance is to blame.

[Elexia]

If people are telling you no DRG on any other content then ignorance is to blame.

This is the FFXIV most people know and lo-hate. While it's obvious DRG works in a lot of content, especially if you're feeling adventurous this isn't the case for most people.

I can safely say it's only a minority of the community that doesn't autoshun DRG/MNK from content while the majority only care for BLM stacking.

[Crimzon]

but you have the attitude of putting the group before yourself which is good, I'm specifically talking about folks that refuse to play any other class because they only want to play one class. I guess DRG is a bad example since it is good in just about any situation. Hamlets come to mind though which DRG is completely useless in.

Lol what? Dragoon is a beast in hamlet and our LS used one regularly when farming 60k chests. So much easier to have 1 DD in charge of burning down the special weapon mobs to 5-10% health then leading them to die to archer NPCs so poison can be reapplied ASAP. DRG PLD WHMx2 DoHx2 DoLx2 is a great setup.

[Krausus]

Lol what? Dragoon is a beast in hamlet and our LS used one regularly when farming 60k chests. So much easier to have 1 DD in charge of burning down the special weapon mobs to 5-10% health then leading them to die to archer NPCs so poison can be reapplied ASAP. DRG PLD WHMx2 DoHx2 DoLx2 is a great setup.

its not needed at all but there is room for one non whm, pld, dol, doh. Personally I like taking in a brd for the run speed boost >< but generally speaking there is no need for any dps. I can see better players getting away with it but I wouldn't suggest pug groups doing so.

PS: I probably wouldn't compare Blizzard skill to your average joe

[Gukie]

i dont know what your talking about cuz dragoon are good dps vs some monsters on xiv