you know what grinds my gears?

[Amyas]

i actually have to take up for destain. i've played with him and his group and they are actually quite friendly and fun to play with. after being in their runs and the way they distribute loot i enjoy running with them. let's give you the list of things they go by starting at the top and if nobody meets that it goes to secondary and so forth.

1. before the dungeon you are asked what's your main and secondary. once an item drops if it's your main you lot on it.
2. if an item drops and everyone with main has it the people with secondary lots on it.
3. once both main and secondary gets it then anyone else that plays those classes gets to lot if not main/secondary.
4. after this anyone that can equip the gear lots on the item.
5. it becomes free and people of any level get to lot.

they are not dkp, but it goes by what helps the party be more efficient. say heavy darklight body drops and you barely made the speed run time. who benefits the party and ls the most by getting the piece of gear? i'd say the tank since it will help shave some time off the next run and allow more speed runs. that helps everyone when it goes to the class that helps the group. it's selfish to think someone that can not help the party should get that drop and not be able to help the group/ls by having it.

i'm not suggesting that new people shouldn't be allowed to get loot, but i am suggesting that loot whores that want everything no matter if they can use it or not should not get items over people that can use it. i'm merely stating that a new player should have a main that they want to play so they can get that class geared first. if the new player states their main is tank even if they are playing on whm during the run it drops i feel they should be able to lot on and get the tanking gear. i just don't think someone that says their main is tank and their pld is 40 should get the tanking gear over a r50 tank that is the primary tank for the party.

is that elitism? some of you may say so, but i call it efficiency. are you going to get one class completely geared or every class geared first? once one class is geared it's not a problem to start gearing another, but i feel you should gear the class you enjoy most first where you benefit everyone in the group instead of grabbing at every piece that drops and hurting your fellow party members or ls mates.

i won't even lot on dd/tanking gear even though i have them at 50. why would i do that? i don't because the gear is not as useful to me as it is others that plays them consistently. by getting the right gear to the right person i am helping everyone, including me, to be better the next time we run content. if everyone that plays those classes then i will lot for it, but only after the people that benefit the party gets it first.

Well maybe he should think before he says 'u r idiot' to someone who made a comment not even directed at him. From what it sounds like, its how i'd play. If I'm playing whm and i get a suit of DL armor of course i'll give it to the tank if he doesn't already have it. (have war too, so i'd be shooting myself in the foot, but hey, crafted stuff is better anyways )
But i just can't agree that just because a person has done it more, or has been there longer that they automatically get something that drops into my loot list. I'd rather throw it away than give it to someone that demanded it just for that reason, but of course there are like above circumstances where i may not be able to use it, or where multiple party members could use it, then i would have no problem /randoming it or giving it to the person that would use it exclusively.

time = entitlement, { I don't want it }, which was the basis of my first EDIT: in my previously positive first comment on this thread. well that and the other stuff some of the more serious (?) lses are doing. but the way you talk its the opposite, similiar to my line of thinking that the person who will use it more to help the group should get w/e drop; efficient.

tl;dr
I don't want stuff I can't use; i'll cede whatever to whoever can statically use it, but i won't stand for no 'that mine, u r noob' bs.

[darkstarpoet1]

Well maybe he should think before he says 'u r idiot' to someone who made a comment not even directed at him. From what it sounds like, its how i'd play. If I'm playing whm and i get a suit of DL armor of course i'll give it to the tank if he doesn't already have it. (have war too, so i'd be shooting myself in the foot, but hey, crafted stuff is better anyways )
But i just can't agree that just because a person has done it more, or has been there longer that they automatically get something that drops into my loot list. I'd rather throw it away than give it to someone that demanded it just for that reason, but of course there are like above circumstances where i may not be able to use it, or where multiple party members could use it, then i would have no problem /randoming it or giving it to the person that would use it exclusively.

time = entitlement, { I don't want it }, which was the basis of my first EDIT: in my previously positive first comment on this thread. well that and the other stuff some of the more serious (?) lses are doing. but the way you talk its the opposite, similiar to my line of thinking that the person who will use it more to help the group should get w/e drop; efficient.

tl;dr
I don't want stuff I can't use; i'll cede whatever to whoever can statically use it, but i won't stand for no 'that mine, u r noob' bs.

no i'm not saying time should get better reward. there's dkp shells for that, but i'm personally not in them.

what i am saying is that if you are mrd as your favorite class regardless if it's your first run or your 300th run then if both you and another person have it ranked to 50 you should both have an equal chance at it first if you both said that's your main class. you as mrd would be able to put it to use and help the party where me as a mage could equip it, but not help the party. if both you and the other mrd got it then there's no issue with others getting it, but i just have the opinion that getting the gear to the people that will improve the overall party helps everyone including me.

edit: i'm not in a dkp shell, but that doesn't mean i'm opposed to them. i just feel the applications should not just be about them getting to know you, but you getting to know the ls as well. if they use dkp(for example) and you don't want it then it's just not the ls you should be joining. if that's how they want to play it's up to that group and they aren't wrong for wanting it nor are you for not.

[Amyas]

no i'm not saying time should get better reward..

Yeah i know you're not saying that, I agree 100% with ya, but it was the basis of the comments destain and I had between each other. . its just that my orginal comment on here, after i edited it to include my disdain (should have worded it better in my first post but..) for the foreigness of certain LS rules, was replied to by Destain with some sarcasm then a personal attack (rather than a well thought out conversation starter, it became one of many snarky forum /slaps that I, too am guilty of, sadly ;_; ), which automatically put me on the defensive and... then w/e. I know its just a forum, but I don't always have my emotional SS up all the time... Off OP topic as hell but i had to say it just to clear stuff up.

[darkstarpoet1]

Yeah i know you're not saying that, I agree 100% with ya, but it was the basis of the comments destain and I had between each other. . its just that my orginal comment on here, after i edited it to include my disdain (should have worded it better in my first post but..) for the foreigness of certain LS rules, was replied to by Destain with some sarcasm then a personal attack (rather than a well thought out conversation starter, it became one of many snarky forum /slaps that I, too am guilty of, sadly ;_, which automatically put me on the defensive and... then w/e. I know its just a stupid forum, but to me it a gathering place of my peers that enjoy something as much as I do, and I don't always have my emotional SS up all the time... Off OP topic as hell but i had to say it just to clear shit up.

i know, but all i am saying is that they are mad because some ls's do that. that's why i say that's the one good thing about the application process. you get to know what they expect and how they are just as well as they get to know about you. if they do things they don't like(like in the op) then just leave them. they just have a different idea from them. it's not right or wrong, but is just different. no matter the amount of complaining and arguing over who is right neither side will convince them so it's just best to part ways and find a group they do agree with.

i just don't feel the op is wrong, but don't believe the ls is wrong either. they just don't agree on what they want. it just means they are not a good fit for each other.