you know what grinds my gears?

[darkstarpoet1]

A video game should not be a work away from work. It defeats the purpose of a video game.

that depends on your reason for playing the game in the first place. i have friends that play a game for fun, but i also have friends that play a game and are very organized and just want to compete for first to do something. people play games for different reasons. i play fps games as well and i know people that play them for fun(like me) and i know people that play them and actually get into competitions for them.

some play it a few hours a week and some play the game all day everyday. it's up to the individual person as to why they play the game. it's not my right to tell people that the way they enjoy a game is the wrong way to play it. if i don't agree with their play style or mentality i just find a group that fits.

the point is if your views of the game and reason for playing it does not fit what a group is looking for then you should be looking for a group that plays the game for the same reasons as you do.

[Anapingofness]

that depends on your reason for playing the game in the first place. i have friends that play a game for fun, but i also have friends that play a game and are very organized and just want to compete for first to do something. people play games for different reasons. i play fps games as well and i know people that play them for fun(like me) and i know people that play them and actually get into competitions for them.

some play it a few hours a week and some play the game all day everyday. it's up to the individual person as to why they play the game. it's not my right to tell people that the way they enjoy a game is the wrong way to play it. if i don't agree with their play style or mentality i just find a group that fits.

the point is if your views of the game and reason for playing it does not fit what a group is looking for then you should be looking for a group that plays the game for the same reasons as you do.

I accept your argument as I did not consider the people who enter tournaments with video games, for example, but I still stand by my statement. I can't speak for those people but to me, that is simply not work. At that point, it becomes a passion much like professional athlete or artist. Work, is not a good word to describe what they do. At least that is the way I feel about it.

Also, you seem to misunderstand.

I have no problem with players who share different views than me. I also have no problem with players who have a different play style than me. In all honesty, I believe in the notion of free will. If the way someone players brings them joy then more power to them.

The only time I begin to have frustrations with this is if I should ever feel cornered. That no matter what I do, I can't seem to get anywhere. I get frustrated with rude players. Honestly, talk to me. I'm sure we can find a middle ground.
Although, at that point I think anyone would feel frustration. Thankfully, I haven't run into too much of that.

As for my own play style, I don't think anyone needs to like it particularly. I just need people to respect that it is potentially a different play style than my own.

That is why I told the Op that not all end game shells are like what she has experienced. It takes time to find one she can feel comfortable in, but once she does, she will have formed some strong bonds with those people.

[darkstarpoet1]

I accept your argument as I did not consider the people who enter tournaments with video games, for example, but I still stand by my statement. I can't speak for those people but to me, that is simply not work. At that point, it becomes a passion much like professional athlete or artist. Work, is not a good word to describe what they do. At least that is the way I feel about it.

Also, you seem to misunderstand.

I have no problem with players who share different views than me. I also have no problem with players who have a different play style than me. In all honesty, I believe in the notion of free will. If the way someone players brings them joy then more power to them.

The only time I begin to have frustrations with this is if I should ever feel cornered. That no matter what I do, I can't seem to get anywhere. I get frustrated with rude players. Honestly, talk to me. I'm sure we can find a middle ground.
Although, at that point I think anyone would feel frustration. Thankfully, I haven't run into too much of that.

As for my own play style, I don't think anyone needs to like it particularly. I just need people to respect that it is potentially a different play style than my own.

That is why I told the Op that not all end game shells are like what she has experienced. It takes time to find one she can feel comfortable in, but once she does, she will have formed some strong bonds with those people.

oh i'm not saying you're wrong. all i was doing was pointing out is that different people have different ideas of fun.

what we consider the game being work may be fun to them. for example i don't consider parsing different gear sets and weapons to be fun trying to find out which combinations work the best, but i have a few good friends in game that will spend weeks on it and quite enjoy it. it would be a full time job to me, but it is enjoyable to them. which is wrong? neither

my only point is if you consider something work and a group of people consider it fun and expect people to play that way then that's just not the group you should be playing with. it will only cause drama in the long run because you will never convince them you are right and they will never convince you that you are wrong. you just look at something different than they do. there's absolutely nothing wrong with either point of view.

more than anything there are many different types of people in game and if people look hard enough they will be able to find people with similar views to them and be able to get things done. there's no need to join this super special end game shell if their play style does not match what you are looking for in the game.

[Anapingofness]

oh i'm not saying you're wrong. all i was doing was pointing out is that different people have different ideas of fun.

what we consider the game being work may be fun to them. for example i don't consider parsing different gear sets and weapons to be fun trying to find out which combinations work the best, but i have a few good friends in game that will spend weeks on it and quite enjoy it. it would be a full time job to me, but it is enjoyable to them. which is wrong? neither

my only point is if you consider something work and a group of people consider it fun and expect people to play that way then that's just not the group you should be playing with. it will only cause drama in the long run because you will never convince them you are right and they will never convince you that you are wrong. you just look at something different than they do. there's absolutely nothing wrong with either point of view.

more than anything there are many different types of people in game and if people look hard enough they will be able to find people with similar views to them and be able to get things done. there's no need to join this super special end game shell if their play style does not match what you are looking for in the game.

It feels as if we're saying something very similar.

In the end that's really what the OP needs to take away from this.

There are people for her, she just needs to find them. Sometimes it happens quickly, sometimes it takes a while.

It sounds like a cop out, but this is a social game above all else. Learning to play with other people is tough. That's why when players find those people that jive well with them they tend to hang onto them.

[darkstarpoet1]

It feels as if we're saying something very similar.

In the end that's really what the OP needs to take away from this.

There are people for her, she just needs to find them. Sometimes it happens quickly, sometimes it takes a while.

It sounds like a cop out, but this is a social game above all else. Learning to play with other people is tough. That's why when players find those people that jive well with them they tend to hang onto them.

agreed. that was the point i was trying to get off originally. she states she hates shells because of the way they are. it's not the shells that are the problem. it's the differences in the views the members of those particular shells have that conflict with the views of the op.

(directed towards the op)
if someone wants to do a 100 page application and must have every class to 50 with all triple melds to even be considered to join that is up to that person. i wouldn't join it because i don't agree with it, but there are other shells in the game that have what i am looking for and the types of people i want to enjoy gaming with. everyone just has to keep looking until they find that shell that fits them. once you find them the game becomes alot more enjoyable.

if you can't find a shell that is already made like the one you are wanting in your head you can always get a group of friends together and start one of your own and can run it however you feel is best to make the game the most enjoyable for you. it doesn't matter if your idea of a fun game is all roll playing with kitty people only that only have 1 craft to cap that runs around town drinking milk all day and playing with yarn. if that's what you find as fun then just take the time and find people that enjoy that and enjoy the game doing what you find fun.

[Jynx]

more than anything there are many different types of people in game and if people look hard enough they will be able to find people with similar views to them and be able to get things done. there's no need to join this super special end game shell if their play style does not match what you are looking for in the game.

Bravo sir.

Everyone has their own definition of "Fun". We all need to respect eachother when we bring ideas that we all find fun to the table, I may not always agree but I always respect the right to an opinion.

I've done alot of things people might consider "Work" in the MMO's I've played. Hell in Ultima Online I focused purely on collecting one of a kind items that existed in the game due to either glitches or "World events" that happened once in a lifetime.

I made a market of buying and selling these rare items for ungodly ammounts of game money just so I could look different than the other guy standing at the bank. So my player home could look awesome I mean who else has a lava pool in their basement?

Answer: Nobody did because I owned all the lava tiles on the server!

Some people thought I was crazy, others thought I was awesome my home became a artifact of it's own. I knew another group of players who created a ingame Casino they all Roleplayed staff...christ they had shifts set out and everything! Met many of them outside of their characters and it was just a big thrill for them to be able to create something the entire server community enjoyed.

Good....good and crazy times.