Paladin vs. Warrior in Garuda fight

[HoolieWho]

I wonder what percentage of a paladin's enmity is generated from damage versus other sources. I suspect relatively little. This is why I like the theme of the Militia gear, which is HP + enmity. I like the Militia head and hands over STR and MND melded alternatives. Maybe I'm wrong about which choice will typically generate the most enmity.

Specifically for Garuda: The very start of the fight before her first "jump" is a great time for the whole party to pour on as much damage as you can, before plumes come into play. I always thought a WAR tank would be better in this situation, but my LS has used WAR and PLD and both seem to generate sufficient enmity off the top.

How much does a WAR who is tanking contribute to killing plumes? All you really have to do in the first phase is put as much damage on Garuda as possible and survive Aerial Blast. I doubt a tank's contribution to plumes is going to make or break you on surviving Aerial Blast.

Clones is another time I would think Collusion on a BLM would be sorely missed with a PLD tank, but maybe a PLD can handle the burst of damage required against clones as well as it does the opening minute of phase one.

[SwordCoheir]

Awesome, I like that But do you think that upgrading my gear like Amy suggested is a good option? What kind of gear do you have?

The STR meld gloves are kind of a toss up between the rings and choker in this particular fight. You can either go with 2x STR rings and a Electrum Gorget with a double meld acc. guantlets, or go with a double melded pair of Cobalt/Sentinels Guantlets (Makes sure it's 30+ STR or your wasting your time) and use Explorers Chocker and 2x Electrum Rings.

I say this because naturally acc. is a BIG player in this fight and you want to aim somewhere between 450-480 acc. after food/bard songs. Salt Cod Puffs give the biggest buff to acc. through food, however Tuna Miqot'bobs (sp) are a cheaper but decent alternative, Minuet gives roughly 40 Acc on top of that.

I'd also recommend getting a hold of one of the Lieutenants weapons as well, because they have better overall DPS than Ifrit's and some even give a little acc. in turn like the Lominsan Lieutenant's Cutlass.

Anyways here's a posting of my groups Damage and the stats I had on the last run we did to give you an idea what you can realistically hit . My numbers are usually tied for third with Hoolie most of the time, however 2nd phase can drastically alter the numbers based on how many she picks off before the PLD bites the dust.

Acc Build before food/buffs


Damage

[AmyNeudaiz]

The STR meld gloves are kind of a toss up between the rings and choker in this particular fight. You can either go with 2x STR rings and a Electrum Gorget with a double meld acc. guantlets, or go with a double melded pair of Cobalt/Sentinels Guantlets (Makes sure it's 30+ STR or your wasting your time) and use Explorers Chocker and 2x Electrum Rings.

I say this because naturally acc. is a BIG player in this fight and you want to aim somewhere between 450-480 acc. after food/bard songs. Salt Cod Puffs give the biggest buff to acc. through food, however Tuna Miqot'bobs (sp) are a cheaper but decent alternative, Minuet gives roughly 40 Acc on top of that.

I'd also recommend getting a hold of one of the Lieutenants weapons as well, because they have better overall DPS than Ifrit's and some even give a little acc. in turn like the Lominsan Lieutenant's Cutlass.

Anyways here's a posting of my groups Damage and the stats I had on the last run we did to give you an idea what you can realistically hit . My numbers are usually tied for third with Hoolie most of the time, however 2nd phase can drastically alter the numbers based on how many she picks off before the PLD bites the dust.

Acc Build before food/buffs

This is a pretty good set up as well and it's really just a choice of which you think would be cheaper for you. Although with heavens eye IV being so expensive because of the relic quest I'd imagine it would be better to reach 30 str on gloves and +36 accuracy from +1 rings can't really be beat unless you triple meld some grade III's.

[SwordCoheir]

This is a pretty good set up as well and it's really just a choice of which you think would be cheaper for you. Although with heavens eye IV being so expensive because of the relic quest I'd imagine it would be better to reach 30 str on gloves and +36 accuracy from +1 rings can't really be beat unless you triple meld some grade III's.

Aye that's a good point, it's probably better to go with the double melded STR gloves not only because it's easier on the wallet, but it also when it comes to accessories you can be alot more flexible in adjusting your stats.

IE: Your having just a little bit of acc. issues, so you can swap out one STR ring for an Electrum ring and not take as big a hit on damage.

If your just a bit curious though, here's my entirely offensive stats.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Aye that's a good point, it's probably better to go with the double melded STR gloves not only because it's easier on the wallet, but it also when it comes to accessories you can be alot more flexible in adjusting your stats.

IE: Your having just a little bit of acc. issues, so you can swap out one STR ring for an Electrum ring and not take as big a hit on damage.

If your just a bit curious though, here's my entirely offensive stats.

Those are some pretty nice stats for PLD I usually just leave myself at a little over 300 STR. And your VIT/MND is pretty decent too. Really nice.

[Malix]

I wouldn't listen to this guy Zenchiro, he's a troll who like to disagree with everything I post.
I can hold hate against some pretty mean BLM's and STR is pretty good for that.

@Malix, yes STR is the primary damage stat for all Melee so if you want to increase damage, you add STR. If you want more enmity, you increase your damage. It's not rocket science. If you don't have/can't get HDL then adding DPS is the best tool you can use to increase your threat.
And I already told him he should get another ACC ring and with 2 electrum rings you shouldn't have massive accuracy issues no matter what class or weapon (aside those bad ones that have -acc)
And no I never said anything about needing to increase DPS because they need it, I said it can only help and not hurt.
Also, coming from someone who noticed a big change in my ability to hold hate after getting STR gauntlets and giving away some triple melded HP gauntlets, I can say that I do not miss that 150 HP at all.

Alli gotta say is i main PLD and this person doesnt even have pld leveled so you can either take the advice of a warrior (warrior gear completely different from paladins) or the advice of a fellow paladin. I was actually saying gettin acc from accessories was the good thing u mention so i dont even know why u attacking me on that lol. Every PLD on this forum will pretty much agree that PLD has huge ACC issues so ou saying no clashould have massive acc issues proves how little you know about the class right there. i was keeping the arguement civil but you decided to take it to that level. As far as disagreeing with you goes i can pull up several post that shows a ton of people disagreeing with you. In case you didnt know your a WARRIOR you generate threat through damage much more so than pld but PLD has ALOT more threat generating abilities than warrior and i can sit here and list them all day long but i shouldnt have to if you have done your research. you need at least 400 ACC on pld and you dont stack str on pld you just dont every pld knows this (hell mind is more important than STR) now dont come to my pld forums spouting nonsense about a class you dont even play.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Alli gotta say is i main PLD adn this person doesnt even have pld leveled so you can either take the advice of a warrior (warrior gear completely different from paladins) or the advice of a fellow paladin..

Now I'm sure you're trolling.
Please get off this thread.

[Malix]

Now I'm sure you're trolling.
Please get off this thread.

just looked you up ill admit i made a mistake you do have it leveled but doesnt change all the other things i said.

To the OP this is a great guide to follow: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...8post-1.22b%29

also look up kanican's emnity skill table and that should help you decide what you want to do.

[Zenchiro]

I'd also recommend getting a hold of one of the Lieutenants weapons as well, because they have better overall DPS than Ifrit's and some even give a little acc. in turn like the Lominsan Lieutenant's Cutlass.

This is something that I'm wondering. Should I change my +37 enmity sword to ACC that I would gain from this Cutlass? Is it worth it? And Is there something else that I could use from the company? I see that youre using Lominsan Officer's Overcoat and I've been wondering that would it do me any good agains Garuda. Overall it seems to be a nice piece and with that sanction boost, it looks great.

[AmyNeudaiz]

This is something that I'm wonereing. Should I change my +37 enmity sword to ACC that I would gain from this Cutlass? Is it worth it? And Is there something else that I could use from the company? I see that youre using Lominsan Officer's Overcoat and I've been wondering that would it do me any good agains Garuda. Overall it seems to be a nice piece and with that sanction boost, it looks great.

double enmity on a sword is a pretty nice to have for tanking over almost anything.