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  1. #71
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    TessaJalloh's Avatar
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    i'm quite certain it's an instanced battle to prevent multiple linkshells coming over to faceroll the primals for their company.

    I really am quite excited for these changes and additions, especially that large amounts of quests will be added regularly thanks to it being the method of levelling that will be preferred. I mean, this actually feels like progression, your character learning and growing through the things they experience, not through repeatedly murdering the same monsters for hours and hours.

    Though... i would be upset if they made simple social grinding a thing of the past.
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  2. #72
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    Competition should be during the findind and claiming the monster, which we would still have. Because you need to be in the open world to find and claim the primal. Only the fight is instanced and the fight shouldn't be about competition but about team work.
    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    1) Outside of having the Primal to be used in a future battle, is there any other incentive to go after the Primals? HNM's dropped phat lewtz, that's what made them popular and botted.
    The free company who killed a primal can earn a "summon me once" card. The Primal don't respawn until the free company used this card. They have some days time to use it.
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  3. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    Two massive assumptions:

    1) Outside of having the Primal to be used in a future battle, is there any other incentive to go after the Primals? HNM's dropped phat lewtz, that's what made them popular and botted.

    2) Competition boils down to claiming. in XI of 2004-2005, it wasn't so much about the claim but the LS's ability to actually kill the monster. Tiamat, Vrtra, and Jormy were chilling around unkilled for a long-ass time. Proactivity and more flexible game mechanics would have saved SE a lot of headache in this regard.
    1. I think having a potential auto-win button in PvP/Frontlines will be the incentive here which is why I don't give more than a day for top shells to create a tracking utility like they did with Sandworm and Ixion in XI.

    2. This. In the end with the exception of some, they just made em spawnable via items you gained from BCNMs.
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimonLoon View Post
    You didn't bot Tiamat? Cause we sure did. Also, if that's all you got from my post than there really is no hope for you.

    @ Hyan Jormy didn't drop worthwhile loot at all. Vrtra was annoying to get to but usually killed within a week up until ToAU came out and there was better BRD gear. Tiamat dropped the best loot of all three and I guarantee you it was killed within an hour of spawning on my server. Often times, literally camped like Nidhogg.
    No hope for me (/.\) Maybe we ought to take this to BG where all the super cool posters are and then we can really get it on! Better yet, let's take it to KI for old times sake! Wow. Your linkshell needed to bot Tiamat. You're a retard.

    But on your super special server it was killed right away? Astonishing! Because on mine we all just stared at it and tried to negotiate the Gaiter's drop with Parley. You must of been pretty unique and pretty bad ass.

    (*'-')b
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  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimonLoon View Post
    @ Hyan Jormy didn't drop worthwhile loot at all. Vrtra was annoying to get to but usually killed within a week up until ToAU came out and there was better BRD gear. Tiamat dropped the best loot of all three and I guarantee you it was killed within an hour of spawning on my server. Often times, literally camped like Nidhogg.
    Like I said, it wasn't that way from the beginning. And like I said, competition depends on the incentive. Who told you that the roaming Ifrit Primal drops Ridills or even loot at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    Like I said, it wasn't that way from the beginning. And like I said, competition depends on the incentive. Who told you that the roaming Ifrit Primal drops Ridills or even loot at all?
    Dat miners!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    Like I said, it wasn't that way from the beginning. And like I said, competition depends on the incentive. Who told you that the roaming Ifrit Primal drops Ridills or even loot at all?
    It was like that on my server very early into CoP.. At least for Tiamat, the others took a while before people really bothered with them.

    Anyways, have you not been reading these guys posts in their entirety? They're not exactly just advocating for open world primal fights, they're advocating for open-world fights period. They want and cannot wait to go back to those cutt-throat days of HNM camping.

    The only person here who is trying to act unique or badass is you DarthTaru. With your holier-than-thou, steal goblin NM from under the nose of other people getting ready to fight it. You must think you're so cool. It's cute imo. lol
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    Last edited by TimonLoon; 07-10-2012 at 12:47 AM.

  8. #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinko View Post
    Because some people enjoy feeling superior to others, personally I don't get that but thats the reason why they want it, its also the whole competitive thing.

    There are small group of gamers who are complete elitist A-holes who thrive on this stuff, but yea the game definately shouldn't be centred around those players and nor does it look to be
    Wow. Nice assumption jerk. The passive agressive smile really makes me want to slug you in the choppers.

    No. It's about making the gane feel alive. Having a MMO feel massivley multiplayer instead of a group of instances you just jump into from a glorified hub. Instancing in some occations can be great, but the more we do it, the less of a breathing environment we get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthTaru View Post
    No hope for me (/.\) Maybe we ought to take this to BG where all the super cool posters are and then we can really get it on! Better yet, let's take it to KI for old times sake! Wow. Your linkshell needed to bot Tiamat. You're a retard.

    But on your super special server it was killed right away? Astonishing! Because on mine we all just stared at it and tried to negotiate the Gaiter's drop with Parley. You must of been pretty unique and pretty bad ass.

    (*'-')b
    So he is retarded for his server valuing Tiamat more than yours? Okay.

    Actually on another note, do the open world primals give anything besides a one-time summon? Technically that is reward enough. If developers think we deserve more beyond that is up to them I guess.
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    /facepalm

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