Naoki Yoshida's Japan Expo Attendance (07/06/2012)

[Mirage]

That sounds horrible. In every Final Fantasy the way to level up was with battles. I am fine if content is just an alternative but "not going to work" is not going to work for me. I am too tired of FF14 doing the same borring content over and over again. Things like this is the reason why Square Enix fails imo.
They had their success recipe once and then they decided to change things to be more like other games and innovative. Let me level with fighting as I did til now, if I want to.

Haha, sorry, what?

In most Final Fantasy games you got more or less all the levels you needed to beat the game from progressing the story and the few random encounters you would bump into on your way from one "quest" to another.

If you needed to stop and spend hours just grinding in order to progress the main story in earlier final fantasy games, you either sucked at RPGs or were playing FF1-3 on the NES.

If anything, FF14 (and FF11 for that matter) are different from other FFs because they required you to stop progressing the story for a significant amount of time just in order to level up.

What would be a reasonable combination of both of these would be to let the main story give you the majority of the exp needed to get to lv50 for one job, then you could leave the grinding for additional jobs if you wanted to level them.

[Mudd]

"JOL : About the relic weapons, we didn't hear about them for a while. Let's say, one day, you raise the level cap, and then weapons will become useless. Will they be upgradable?

Yoshida : [himself, in English] Yes. *laughs*

Especially because we ask players to go through such a huge challenge to get the weapons, so we don't want to introduce something new and make your efforts go away. We will definitely have an update, it really is a special item."

[Mirage]

While it's good that something that took a lot of time to complete doesn't become obsolete overnight, I think it would be healthy for the game to eventually introduce weapons that will become better than the upgraded relic weapons as well.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

While it's good that something that took a lot of time to complete doesn't become obsolete overnight, I think it would be healthy for the game to eventually introduce weapons that will become better than the upgraded relic weapons as well.

Because then we'll be happy to trash them...
The most healthy thing would be releasing different relics like ffxi, when at certain points they released mithycs and empyrean weapons. All 3 relics are very strong, but have very different requirements

[neorei]

Honestly, not worried about it one bit.

If they keep leves as a means of gaining EXP solo, have these quests as large burst xp rewards, and leave XP parties more or less the same, then we've got a good dynamic systen allowing players to level up the way they wish. Granted, that's of course seeing that combat itself has more depth to it - though I'm fairly confident that will develop on it's own pace.

My guess is, straight grinding mobs is going to seem innefficent compared to questing, which makes sense, even if people want the alternative. The life of an adventurer is about going out and adventuring. So long as they keep the quest objectives variant enough, I'll have no problem with it what so ever.

THIS

as long we have different OPITIONS to level, i'm all for it.

[Starlord]

I'm 100% sure that 2.0 will have Monsters to kill to get exp etc.. He's just stating how he feels like exp via Monster camp won't work for some people. So he's probably just going to make Tons of quests to get exp out of for those type of people. A World that's Empty... with no monsters roaming about... Isn't an MMO at all without them.. period. Heck even Wow did it Quests for exp and Monsters for exp as well.

If they don't put monsters in 2.0.. it be the death of the game. Yoshi-P is a smart man, I'm 100% sure he and the team will put Monsters (a lot of them) roaming about the world.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

In fact I believe he made it a point to say there will be more dangerous monsters roaming areas so you actually feel like you are traveling in a dangerous world. Like they was working on skeletons appearing at night time and ghosts and what not. They did mention that all current methods of leveling will still be present but they are just adding more content for new players to enjoy if they choose.

[Rannie]

Haha, sorry, what?

In most Final Fantasy games you got more or less all the levels you needed to beat the game from progressing the story and the few random encounters you would bump into on your way from one "quest" to another.

If you needed to stop and spend hours just grinding in order to progress the main story in earlier final fantasy games, you either sucked at RPGs or were playing FF1-3 on the NES.

If anything, FF14 (and FF11 for that matter) are different from other FFs because they required you to stop progressing the story for a significant amount of time just in order to level up.

What would be a reasonable combination of both of these would be to let the main story give you the majority of the exp needed to get to lv50 for one job, then you could leave the grinding for additional jobs if you wanted to level them.

not really the case there. I couldn't beat ffvii at lvl 70+ my first play I was missing specific items and such and I was even grinding to gain levels it was the same with FFIX just went through and played the story and the quests that I had to do and still couldn't beat the game without using game shark the first time. Rpg's are meant to be grind fests the more powerful you are the easier it is to defeat the enemies and bosses otherwise if the game is that easy it cheapens it. Take for example FFX-2 I beat that game in 20 hours got the normal ending and you know what I didn't give a shit that my brother pawned the game for money for pills. I hated that game so much because of how easy it was to beat. I love ffvii because it took me years to finally beat the game ( and that was because I actually stopped playing it). Take for example Dragon Quest the original. You pretty much had to be lvl 20 to beat the game and have everything or else bam your dead. so no it doesn't mean a person sucks at rpgs if they grind fest it. that's what it's intended to be

[Dargoth_Draconia]

not really the case there. I couldn't beat ffvii at lvl 70+ my first play I was missing specific items and such and I was even grinding to gain levels it was the same with FFIX just went through and played the story and the quests that I had to do and still couldn't beat the game without using game shark the first time. Rpg's are meant to be grind fests the more powerful you are the easier it is to defeat the enemies and bosses otherwise if the game is that easy it cheapens it. Take for example FFX-2 I beat that game in 20 hours got the normal ending and you know what I didn't give a shit that my brother pawned the game for money for pills. I hated that game so much because of how easy it was to beat. I love ffvii because it took me years to finally beat the game ( and that was because I actually stopped playing it). Take for example Dragon Quest the original. You pretty much had to be lvl 20 to beat the game and have everything or else bam your dead. so no it doesn't mean a person sucks at rpgs if they grind fest it. that's what it's intended to be

It is part of the game and part of the fun, it is part of the time sink that makes the game enjoyable majority of the time. Though I can say not all games are fun to level up in, though every FF title has been fun to me because the combat systems are spot on, including X-2.

[XxOstiaxX]

not really the case there. I couldn't beat ffvii at lvl 70+ my first play I was missing specific items and such and I was even grinding to gain levels it was the same with FFIX just went through and played the story and the quests that I had to do and still couldn't beat the game without using game shark the first time. Rpg's are meant to be grind fests the more powerful you are the easier it is to defeat the enemies and bosses otherwise if the game is that easy it cheapens it. Take for example FFX-2 I beat that game in 20 hours got the normal ending and you know what I didn't give a shit that my brother pawned the game for money for pills. I hated that game so much because of how easy it was to beat. I love ffvii because it took me years to finally beat the game ( and that was because I actually stopped playing it). Take for example Dragon Quest the original. You pretty much had to be lvl 20 to beat the game and have everything or else bam your dead. so no it doesn't mean a person sucks at rpgs if they grind fest it. that's what it's intended to be

If you could not beat FFVII at lvl 70+ then you are just bad period, FF series is not even really hard, like at all, as in no challenge really outside of hidden bosses etc etc, the only thing you got right is that RPGS are meant to be grindfests yes, but they are hidden with progression, something this game LACKS!