Future Endgame gear vs crafted gear with Materia.

[Hyrist]

The biggest problem with making crafted stuff so good is that you can get it solo. Like even the easiest group content we have requires more thought and skill than triple melding anything.

The counter to that, however, is the meterials risked in the process.

You can go fight a raid with a group, lose, and at worst, spend a round at the repair shop and lose a bit of gil.

You can loose several millions just trying for one good tripple meld, solo or not.

So it balances out. Tripple meld gear has lower entry requirements, but higher long term cost/risk.

Where Raiding has higher entry requirements, but low long term risks.

That should justify the rewards being equivalent.

[Brannigan]

The counter to that, however, is the meterials risked in the process.

You can go fight a raid with a group, lose, and at worst, spend a round at the repair shop and lose a bit of gil.

You can loose several millions just trying for one good tripple meld, solo or not.

So it balances out. Tripple meld gear has lower entry requirements, but higher long term cost/risk.

Where Raiding has higher entry requirements, but low long term risks.

That should justify the rewards being equivalent.

Cobalt level materials aren't exactly rare. You're not really risking shit when you can go out mining for an hour and come back with a stack of ore.

[Hyrist]

Cobalt level materials aren't exactly rare. You're not really risking shit when you can go out mining for an hour and come back with a stack of ore.

And, in the time you went out for an hour and got a stack of ore, you could have gone out, done a speedrun with your LS, and gotten a larger chance at an equivilant piece of gear, than your successrate at a tripple meld.

And while you can mine the colbalt in an hour, spiritbonding the armor takes longer to do solo. Not to mention the Mereria gathering itself. This is all for a chance, mind you, not a success.

You can cut the costs the way you are describing, but no matter what you do to circumvent the gil costs, it's going to cost you time.

And this is just talking Colbalt, not even touching the subject of Darksteel, which costs even more and requires rare materials form Castra Novum.

In the end, it's actually less intensive to do raiding then to craft your own from scratch to finish. The fact that it can be done solo is irrelevant in this manner, as the best you can get in terms of crafting cannot be done solo unless you swallow the price of Castra Novum materials.

So if we're going by that logic, then Crafted Gear at this venture should actually be superior. I believe I'm making fair concessions to state they should at least be kept equal - but unique from one another.

[Wobi]

Cobalt level materials aren't exactly rare. You're not really risking shit when you can go out mining for an hour and come back with a stack of ore.

I think people were referring to the price of the materia itself, which yes I have been so unlucky to spend over a million just trying to get a decent double meld. Outside of +1 gear most of the items themselves are "relatively" affordable. This raid/major NM gear only attitude is for the birds. No melded gear exceeds that of Darklight or other top end endgame pieces with the exception of belts as most of them are garbage. You claim the sky is falling but it's still up there (now that red moon on the other hand...)

The personal attacks and vitriolic posts will get this thread locked, so lets put on our logic hats and discuss this like adults.

[Brannigan]

I think people were referring to the price of the materia itself, which yes I have been so unlucky to spend over a million just trying to get a decent double meld. Outside of +1 gear most of the items themselves are "relatively" affordable. This raid/major NM gear only attitude is for the birds. No melded gear exceeds that of Darklight or other top end endgame pieces with the exception of belts as most of them are garbage. You claim the sky is falling but it's still up there (now that red moon on the other hand...)

The personal attacks and vitriolic posts will get this thread locked, so lets put on our logic hats and discuss this like adults.

I haven't claimed the sky is falling or anything like that. The situation right now isn't that dire and I think with a few more dungeons the Tanaka crafting death-grip on this game will be completely loosened.

The point I'm trying to make is that gear acquired from group content should pretty much always be better than this materia slot machine stuff. Battle is the focus of this kind of MMORPG and it needs proper rewards and incentives.

In the end, it's actually less intensive to do raiding then to craft your own from scratch to finish. The fact that it can be done solo is irrelevant in this manner, as the best you can get in terms of crafting cannot be done solo unless you swallow the price of Castra Novum materials.

So if we're going by that logic, then Crafted Gear at this venture should actually be superior. I believe I'm making fair concessions to state they should at least be kept equal - but unique from one another.

And this is ridiculous. The time and effort required for 8 people to gear up, learn the dungeons, and actually get gear is more than that of a single person trying to make some doubles. Besides that, it's not entirely about time input. Difficulty of completion matters too. Crafting a thousand items to blow up might be time consuming but I'd never call it difficult.