Heaven's Eye IV

[fusional]

the thing is- it isn't a real gil sink. all it does is redistribute the gil to the people selling the materia. (and i suspect there are a lot of RMT PL/burn parties spiritbonding stuff day and night with this explicitly in mind)

if square wants to remove gil from the economy before 2.0 through relic quest (and they should absolutely try), all they have to do is make the materia purchasable from an NPC for a reasonable price. even if it's 500k each, that's still better than the 1-3mil/ea. prices some materia are trending toward.

poor design.

[nvidianello]

I don't think it's poor design at all. At the end of the day it's up to the community to decide on prices. And unless you have you 9 seals and 25k note, which I doubt, then there is no point in rushing to get your double meld weapon when the prices are high. The demand is so high they can get away with high prices. Wait a little, and the prices will eventually drop . Double melded avengers went from 30mil to 14mil in 2 weeks. Just have to be patient :-D

[fusional]

I don't think it's poor design at all. At the end of the day it's up to the community to decide on prices.

community has no control over intentional/artificial inflation at the hands of RMT.

pay attention to your market. when you go from 20 savage might IV (or heaven's fist, or hell's eye) to 50+ seemingly overnight, and the price is going *up*, something is awry.

and furthermore, even if RMT weren't in the picture and assuming the community didn't participate in the inflation- it still only redistributes gil rather than removing it from the economy. that doesn't help the inflation situation at all.

[Arksniper]

pay attention to your market. when you go from 20 savage might IV (or heaven's fist, or hell's eye) to 50+ seemingly overnight, and the price is going *up*, something is awry.

Pay attention to Supply and Demand curve its Eco 101. As prices increase it makes the opportunity cost of producing these Materia more worth it so more will be put on the market. Obv the demand for them makes them worth however much they are otherwise people would SB themselves if the price is too high.

[fusional]

Pay attention to Supply and Demand curve its Eco 101. As prices increase it makes the opportunity cost of producing these Materia more worth it so more will be put on the market. Obv the demand for them makes them worth however much they are otherwise people would SB themselves if the price is too high.

supply/demand and price inflation makes sense when stocks are depleting or staying constant. when stock is increasing and price is increasing, which is generally what's happening with most of these materia (heaven's eye being an exception on some servers simply by virtue of being used for two relics)- it goes against the general behavior of supply/demand and renders your argument invalid.

want a good example of supply/demand in action? compare prices and supply of beastcoins a week ago to prices and supply of beastcoins today.

i meld a lot. i sell triple and quad melds. i watch the market closely. and either you're viewing this through a fog of idealism or you don't really know what's going on here.

[Arksniper]

supply/demand and price inflation makes sense when stocks are depleting or staying constant. when stock is increasing and price is increasing, which is generally what's happening with most of these materia (heaven's eye being an exception on some servers simply by virtue of being used for two relics)- it goes against the general behavior of supply/demand and renders your argument invalid.

want a good example of supply/demand in action? compare prices and supply of beastcoins a week ago to prices and supply of beastcoins today.

i meld a lot. i sell triple and quad melds. i watch the market closely. and either you're viewing this through a fog of idealism or you don't really know what's going on here.

Looking at my server the sell list is at least 20 more per day with 40 sitting on the AH. There are many forces at work here too so i'm not looking through some idealist fog. Before Relics were introduced the materia on my server was around 200-400k iirc. It is currently hovering around 1 mil.

Looking at the current price selling history it has a fluctuation from 998k to 1.380 mil it has slowly crept up over time but this is due to the raise in demand for people who are looking to make some money and have the capital to put forth for it as they will pass it on to the buyer + profit. It is simply more valuable now than it was back then as 2 Relics depend on it.

With the double meld success rate at around 16% you are looking at a 1/6ish ratio of successful melds so its around 14 materia per weapon on average. So the stock can get run thru in at least 2 days if it isnt constantly replenished and sometimes the stock falls down to 20ish where 10 are at 999,999,999,999 as a placeholder or some other absurd price.

Also looking at the RMT on my server around Cedarwood they aren't wearing SB gear to make this materia. I also find it hard to believe that someone on each server is buying out the supply just to jack the prices. Most likely they are coming from the SB party shouts I see every day and people realizing they can make a decent buck xping with the right hands/necklace

[Tango]

This all just confirms we all need to stop and make some SB grind parties and all get rich now before 2.0

People horded millions of gil for this exact opportunity waiting for something worthwhile to spend their gil on and now we have it.

I really like the idea that we could buy the materia from an NPC this would drain the economy and stabalize the materia market. I think 500k would be awsome for an upper cap.

[NefarioCall]

Heavens Eye IV used to be 20K each on Lindblum.
Shoulda bought em then. ._.

[Elexia]

Pay attention to Supply and Demand curve its Eco 101. As prices increase it makes the opportunity cost of producing these Materia more worth it so more will be put on the market. Obv the demand for them makes them worth however much they are otherwise people would SB themselves if the price is too high.

Uh, if there's a lot of supply to meet the demand, the prices should go down not up nor should it continue to skyrocket.

[Len]

I wouldn't complain if they decided to raise the conversion rate of Heavens' Eye IV up a bit.

I've gone through a lot of equipment (main-hand, head, waist) and have gotten mostly Heavens' Eye III.