Just remove leveling altogether if it's such a hindrance.

[Maxthunder]

If we're to view leveling as a hindrance, then let's remove it altogether. (Yes, a question in the form of a statement: why not remove leveling if it's viewed as a hindrance? If the game cannot start pre-cap, making everything pre-cap useless, then anything up until the cap is useless, meaning having a leveling process is useless, which begs the question as to why we don't ask it to be taken out.)

P.S. Just because you don't enjoy a certain item of interest doesn't mean those that do are any less legitimate.

It sounds as though you want to be level 50 and not do any work for it. You maybe 1 of those that just want everything handed to you well if thats the case you can always go and play an offline game. Sorry gaining levels is fine there is no need to change it at all except removing power leveling. I would like to see 2.0 with longer leveling than we have now.

[Duelle]

Leveling is terrible as it is now. Getting from 1-25 is a gigantic pain in the arse that consists of literally nothing but grind. It's quite frankly ridiculous and the reason many of my friends have refused to get past level 10. I mean level 1 to 10 can be done in 3 hours solo; easy, no problem, without using any leves. But then you get to 10, 11, and 12 and suddenly progression hits a brick wall. You're SOL if you don't have 3+ people to be on to party grind with you or if you don't have hours to spend just grinding away with leves and ... literal grinding.

This is less about the amount of time it takes to level and more about the lack of content to hide the grind. Many years ago players would just grit their teeth and grind away because that's all they knew. Then mission/quest-based leveling came in and suddenly the leveling experience did not have to be a grind; at least, not one that bored you to tears in repetitiveness.

You can shoot down quests as being fetch errands or kill X amount of mobs, but when you have to choose between sitting in one camp killing mobs in one mob at a time, running around one camp spamming the same four levels over and over, and helping the Knights of the Ebon Blade take over the Shadow Vault and partake in sabotage operations against the undead scourge...

[Dragon]

I've already answered this question, and you've refused my answer. Just because I didn't say "you're masochistic because..." does not mean I've side stepped your question.

Yeah, you never said why we're masochists for liking content that you don't. To me, and those like me, view grinding as fun. We don't view it as painful. You claim we're masochists, but don't even explain why we're masochists for liking content that you don't.

It'd be like is calling you a masochist because we don't like whatever content you like.

The fact is, I can like grinding. I can view it as fun. Just like you can just not like it and view it as terrible, but that doesn't mean you're right in calling me a masochist for me liking WHAT I FIND TO BE FUN when you don't like it.

[Dragon]

It sounds as though you want to be level 50 and not do any work for it. You maybe 1 of those that just want everything handed to you well if thats the case you can always go and play an offline game. Sorry gaining levels is fine there is no need to change it at all except removing power leveling. I would like to see 2.0 with longer leveling than we have now.

Wow, talk about totally missing the point. WTF?

[AsterBarnivere]

Yeah, you never said why we're masochists for liking content that you don't. To me, and those like me, view grinding as fun. We don't view it as painful. You claim we're masochists, but don't even explain why we're masochists for liking content that you don't.

It'd be like is calling you a masochist because we don't like whatever content you like.

The fact is, I can like grinding. I can view it as fun. Just like you can just not like it and view it as terrible, but that doesn't mean you're right in calling me a masochist for me liking WHAT I FIND TO BE FUN when you don't like it.

So she can't call you a masochist for not liking what you like, but when other people call the leveling in this game fine, you flip your shit and make a thread whining about things being a little "Too easy" just because the director wants other players to actually join those who are already 50+

hypocrisy at it's finest people.

[SuzakuCMX]

This is less about the amount of time it takes to level and more about the lack of content to hide the grind. Many years ago players would just grit their teeth and grind away because that's all they knew. Then mission/quest-based leveling came in and suddenly the leveling experience did not have to be a grind; at least, not one that bored you to tears in repetitiveness.

You can shoot down quests as being fetch errands or kill X amount of mobs, but when you have to choose between sitting in one camp killing mobs in one mob at a time, running around one camp spamming the same four levels over and over, and helping the Knights of the Ebon Blade take over the Shadow Vault and partake in sabotage operations against the undead scourge...

Quests in this game give you the same amount of EXP as 2-3 monsters for a lot more time spent. It's sad.

I like progression to be via quests so you feel visceral progression as you advance the story, rather than what we have now (which is grind your heart out for a glimpse of a story that never gets fully revealed).

EDIT: And yes it is a bit more about disguising the grinding than the actual grinding, but not much. Quests in this game seem to be more of a way to obtain money than progress your character. I'd prefer no levels and unlock content/skills via advancing the story. That way you get character progression along with story progression.

[Dragon]

So she can't call you a masochist for not liking what you like, but when other people call the leveling in this game fine, you flip your shit and make a thread whining about things being a little "Too easy" just because the director wants other players to actually join those who are already 50+

hypocrisy at it's finest people.

I made a thread specifically targeting people viewing leveling as hindrance. I didn't create any thread complaining about any leveling process or the lack thereof. It is your problem that you view it differently, and as such I will not respond to you.

[AsterBarnivere]

I made a thread specifically targeting people viewing leveling as hindrance. I didn't create any thread complaining about any leveling process or the lack thereof. It is your problem that you view it differently, and as such I will not respond to you.

No, that's YOUR problem that a majority views something as "fine" and that your opinion is of such huge value above theirs despite the fact you can't provide any legitimate points to your argument as to "why".

[ArkNova]

At this point I'd rather see the progress in leveling stay at this rate then to see it sped up.

新生でも短期間で５０になれる
In 2.0 you can reach level 50 in short period of time.

Maybe some people saw this and took it as leveling speed will increase in 2.0

[Dragon]

At this point I'd rather see the progress in leveling stay at this rate then to see it sped up.

新生でも短期間で５０になれる
In 2.0 you can reach level 50 in short period of time.

Maybe some people saw this and took it as leveling speed will increase in 2.0

This thread isn't to discuss the leveling speed per-se but about the idea that leveling is somehow a hindrance, that the "game doesn't start until cap", etc.