Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

[Len]

99% chance itl be left as is

if they change anything itl be specific drop rates but not the process itself

More RNG.

[Dimitsuri]

Down to 5mils from 40mils in a week just to get damn double melded astroblade. Sweet......almost made me quit. Now i did over 10-20 60k+ hamlets and no drop at all, no seals, not even damn grade matter 5. We did have person in top20 with us. I saw 2 seals droped to PT members, but I'm not going to do hamlets for several mounths just to get those seals. Even afraid thinking about next step in AV and CC to get those mythril or smth things....This RNG s*it is too much for me. I guess i was a "white knight" before, I really defended the game, but this time just it's too much for me. SE I got a Real Life too!

[Kinseykinz]

Because you can't just change something like this overnight, it will take many discussions on how to take on this situations and if they are gonna do away with it what will be the next step.

Mind you nobody in this thread has come up with other solution, they did say they "do not want RNG system" but how do you want it instead? how do you want this new system to be implemented? give a real example.

Do you want to spam AV/CC for 50x instead for a guarantee drop? spam hamlet 50x for guarantee drop?
or do you want not to spam content? you want challenging fight? when most whiner here dont even have garuda kill, you want something based on skill? How is that more feasible than what we have now?

Did you not even read the OP? Cause, I'm pretty sure she gave a basic description of a better way to handle it...as have several others.

I'm on team 'Epic Quest-line for an Epic Weapon' I believe the relic quest should be a Solo questline that is VERY Difficult and requires you to showcase your individual skills on the job you are attempting to earn the weapon for. I wouldn't mind having to gather items from hamlets/crafting your weapon etc. as much *if* demonstrating your actual skill on the desired job was important too. Right now, I'm spending more time on Botanist while trying to earn a relic than on the job I hope to use the relic on...that is just wrong.

However, in order for SE to have done the 'Epic Quest' line for the relics, they would have had to spend more time and energy on the current game than they wish to do. So we ended up with this RNG crap...and it is crap. I would have preferred they waited longer before introducing them, mostly so they could have done it correctly.

Drop rates:

Hamlets:
Okay so after what's it been 1.5 weeks now?...something like that. My 'progression' group is still in the hamlets. We each now have 1 seal, and I think 5 members (out of 12ish) have 2. We have been going non-stop every evening for at least 3 hours usually closer to 5. We almost always get 60k+ and have a top 20 provisioner.

This being said, now that I've done hamlets more, I think the drop rates are okay provided that once the level 3+ hamlets are released, the drop rates drastically improve the Higher the hamlet level. If however, this is not the case, then the drop rates for 60K+ w/ a top 20 should drop 1 seal 50% of the time (so 1 seal out of every 2 battles). Keep in mind, in order to have a top 20, you (or your team mates) need to farm, craft etc. before you even enter the hamlet.

Weapon Crafting:
I don't think that this step is so horrible...esp since the biggest gripe is the expense. You can work around the expense if you can gather the raw mats. If you can supply enough raw mats, you can give a crafter enough shots to make the weapon for a low cost. Also, at least on my server, last time I checked the base weapons weren't too crazy expensive. So if you can SB enough gear to get the right materia, you can again just buy weapons for attempts. The average person will probably need 10 attempts to get the weapon+2 melds. (Which means I'll need 30 cause I have no luck) But as many of us will be doing hamlets for a LONG time, you can slowly gather/craft the base weapon when you have time...

AV/CC
This is the most horrid part. Partially because you can't pass the seals...so you can't even just help a friend out. Add to that, pretty sure it's a less than 1% drop rate from what people have been reporting back. I am seriously hoping this drop rate can get increased to at least 5%, Ideally 10% by August. (Hoping that SE will raise this drop rate like they've obviously raised the drop rates on Ifrit/Moogle/DH)

The arguement that SE is using a RNG system with ultra-low drop rates to keep us playing until 2.0 is absurd btw. Most people look at this and just give up. As a matter of fact, I know of MORE people who have left to go play other games due to this whole Relic RNG thing than anything else. These same people would have embraced an 'Epic Battle' questline even if they were 2 weeks in and they couldn't even get by the first battle. RNG is only a challenge of willpower...not of skill, or brains. All having a relic weapon will say of us currently is that we are 'lucky' or 'have no life'. You can still be a crappy player.

[Nero]

They should hire you as a translator, being able to speak every language is a rare talent.

eh? I dont know where you are coming from, but where i live we are offered to learn different languages in school. Speaking 3* languages is not really rare. <_<

Down to 5mils from 40mils in a week just to get damn double melded astroblade.

Ouch.. lol i didnt try for that many Double-Melds yet, but it is really a Gilsink if the 2nd Meld fails over and over again.

[Niinoi]

i dont like hamlet its onley for Dol and Doh no thanks

[Zezlar]

i dont like hamlet its onley for Dol and Doh no thanks

I always went in as DRG...

[TheVedis]

i dont like hamlet its onley for Dol and Doh no thanks

just shows how ignorant some people are about hamlet



then again, at rank 2, there is the issue of getting the 60k chest being a pain, hopefuly when we get rank 3 we can diversify our clases a bit more with triple scoring instead of double so there is more room to work with on which bonus we go for

[Murugan]

just shows how ignorant some people are about hamlet

Really please do explain how to get a 60k chest with a DoW/DoM proper setup that doesn't rely on the militia to do most of the work for you?

Hamlet is crap, this content is more fitting for some gimmicky holiday event (like the emoting @ balloons event) rather than being required for endgame content. It is entirely reliant on DoL/DoH, any non healing DoW/DoM in the group are more or less charity cases who spend most of the fight contributing very little to the point score...

[TheVedis]

Really please do explain how to get a 60k chest with a DoW/DoM proper setup that doesn't rely on the militia to do most of the work for you?

Hamlet is crap, this content is more fitting for some gimmicky holiday event (like the emoting @ balloons event) rather than being required for endgame content. It is entirely reliant on DoL/DoH, any non healing DoW/DoM in the group are more or less charity cases who spend most of the fight contributing very little to the point score...

right now, to get the 60k chest, yes you do have to rely alot upon the doh/dol buffs, but you know what, that doesnt mean everything else is excluded

if you actualy read the rest of my damn post you woulda seen what i was trying to get at beyond that


right now, hamlet doesnt require a spewcific setup, but to get the 60k chest there isnt alot of room for variance, what im getting at is we still have 3 more ranks of hamlet that have yet to be introduced, and im hoping we will be able to see a bit more varience when those hit

when you only need 20k triples instead of 30k doubled, thats alot more room for not relying on stacking to get specific bonus's to make sure you get to 60k, you wont have to kite the boss to keep him alive, there will be alot you dont have to do the same.


also, nothing says you are forced to go for the 60k chest, you can easily go to 40k with a dps instead of a tank with little effort at all.


now as for calling it required for endgame, again, ignorance in its fullest. it is not required for ANYTHING. you dont have to work on your relic, you dont have to get militia items, you dont have to do any of that, you have ifrit, moogle, darkhold, garuda, cc, and av that you can do for endgame instead

nothing is ever "required" of you, its all optional



and in the end, dol and doh deserve content too, so if this is your way of saying you dont want them to ever be able to do anything, you sir, are the one whos in the wrong

[Murugan]

right now, to get the 60k chest, yes you do have to rely alot upon the doh/dol buffs, but you know what, that doesnt mean everything else is excluded

if you actualy read the rest of my damn post you woulda seen what i was trying to get at beyond that


right now, hamlet doesnt require a spewcific setup, but to get the 60k chest there isnt alot of room for variance, what im getting at is we still have 3 more ranks of hamlet that have yet to be introduced, and im hoping we will be able to see a bit more varience when those hit

when you only need 20k triples instead of 30k doubled, thats alot more room for not relying on stacking to get specific bonus's to make sure you get to 60k, you wont have to kite the boss to keep him alive, there will be alot you dont have to do the same.


also, nothing says you are forced to go for the 60k chest, you can easily go to 40k with a dps instead of a tank with little effort at all.


now as for calling it required for endgame, again, ignorance in its fullest. it is not required for ANYTHING. you dont have to work on your relic, you dont have to get militia items, you dont have to do any of that, you have ifrit, moogle, darkhold, garuda, cc, and av that you can do for endgame instead

nothing is ever "required" of you, its all optional



and in the end, dol and doh deserve content too, so if this is your way of saying you dont want them to ever be able to do anything, you sir, are the one whos in the wrong

It is required for the endgame content that are the next steps in the Relic quest line, which are tied to endgame DoW/DoM content. Without doing Hamlet you do not have access to the coffers in AV/CC/Strongholds. These are not DoL/DoH content. There are no DoL/DoH relics even, this should be tied to battle content more.

I'm all for having DoL/DoH support endgame, I just don't feel like I should have to level these in order to contribute during content that I need in order to get endgame items I want. Tanking in Hamlet is one of the most mind numbingly dull roles in content ever.

MAYBE it will be better when they raise hamlet, but they haven't and so here we are playing the DoL/DoH gimmick circus. Oooh let me emote for 400 points, YAY FUN!