[Dev] Overtaxation of PC Hardware

[DAOWAce]

By the way FFXIV performs, you'd think it'd be using SSAO with fully dynamic shadows, multiple lightpoints, insane draw distance without LOD and even tessellation.

But wait, it isn't. It's just a console port made by a developer who has never developed a real PC game.

Did I mention Ambient Occlusion is still bugged?


It's using a badly coded file architecture system (147,000+ files, disrupts NTFS filesystem, causes 300MB+ storage space waste, can cause massive hitching/stuttering even if defragmented and also very long load times. What's the way to resolve this.. oh, I dunno, waste money on an SSD or, you know, use a bunch of large pack files like any other reputable game company does with their games)

It's optimized for consoles, meaning CPU power means as much as GPU power, if not more. Most things are CPU oriented. If I disable 2 cores of my Phenom 940, the game's audio starts acting up badly and my framerate drops by nearly 50%. If I disable just 1 core, the game performs almost as good as it can, no real audio problems and FPS is down at most 15%.

If I upgrade to say, Sandy Bridge, I suddenly have absolutely no problems and get 60 FPS at all times unless I'm around 20 other people. Can't say I've seen my FPS drop below 45 with nearly maxed out settings (1920x1200, 4xAA, No AO/DOF, everything else maxed except general drawing (8))

Glad I upgraded; but it wasn't worth it.

By comparison; Crysis 2 ran at 60FPS completely maxed out on my Phenom 940. I'm sure with SB the original will act the same way too.

2x GTX 460's for reference.

I'd link to my forum thread where I detailed every flaw I saw with FFXIV, but my webhost doesn't like me anymore.


Edit: Finally, my website is back up. Here's the extremely outdated forum thread: http://daow.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=23

[Sinzfeldt]

What he said

Probably the best post in this thread.

[Kazahashi]

By the way FFXIV performs, you'd think it'd be using SSAO with fully dynamic shadows, multiple lightpoints, insane draw distance without LOD and even tessellation.

But wait, it isn't. It's just a console port made by a developer who has never developed a real PC game.

Did I mention Ambient Occlusion is still bugged?


It's using a badly coded file architecture system (147,000+ files, disrupts NTFS filesystem, causes 300MB+ storage space waste, can cause massive hitching/stuttering even if defragmented and also very long load times. What's the way to resolve this.. oh, I dunno, waste money on an SSD or, you know, use a bunch of large pack files like any other reputable game company does with their games)

It's optimized for consoles, meaning CPU power means as much as GPU power, if not more. Most things are CPU oriented. If I disable 2 cores of my Phenom 940, the game's audio starts acting up badly and my framerate drops by nearly 50%. If I disable just 1 core, the game performs almost as good as it can, no real audio problems and FPS is down at most 15%.

If I upgrade to say, Sandy Bridge, I suddenly have absolutely no problems and get 60 FPS at all times unless I'm around 20 other people. Can't say I've seen my FPS drop below 45 with nearly maxed out settings (1920x1200, 4xAA, No AO/DOF, everything else maxed except general drawing (8))

Glad I upgraded; but it wasn't worth it.

By comparison; Crysis 2 ran at 60FPS completely maxed out on my Phenom 940. I'm sure with SB the original will act the same way too.

2x GTX 460's for reference.

I'd link to my forum thread where I detailed every flaw I saw with FFXIV, but my webhost doesn't like me anymore.

Right on all counts, and that's the point I've been trying to make. The game is a console MMO, was built to BE a console MMO first and foremost, and yet I can't run it as good as other console ports on a PC....which again, makes not a damn bit of sense, whatsoever. With the way it runs, you'd think that the PS3 is leaps and bounds ahead of PC's....which I think we all know just isn't the case.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

(insert what he said here too)

He's got many points.

And I'm finally home to test the OP's concern. It is definitely valid in regards to two of my configurations, both involving a 285 GTX.

Lowered all settings including resolution and in-game settings except Physics (but in Windowed mode). From 44 degrees C, in-game I'm at 70 degrees C in 10 min.

Slid the General Drawing Settings alone to readable text, reached 84 degrees C in 10 min. Fan crept up 3%.

It's fairly cold outside, but as it get's warmer, I worry what will happen to this poor little beast.

But yes, now that I think about it, SE doesn't develop for the PC, they port console titles to the PC.

NVidia sandwiches running hot.

[MonsieurVerde]

He's got many points.

And I'm finally home to test the OP's concern. It is definitely valid in regards to two of my configurations, both involving a 285 GTX.

Lowered all settings including resolution and in-game settings except Physics (but in Windowed mode). From 44 degrees C, in-game I'm at 70 degrees C in 10 min.

Slid the General Drawing Settings alone to readable text, reached 84 degrees C in 10 min. Fan crept up 3%.

It's fairly cold outside, but as it get's warmer, I worry what will happen to this poor little beast.

But yes, now that I think about it, SE doesn't develop for the PC, they port console titles to the PC.

NVidia sandwiches running hot.

Ever think about investing in a better cooler? >_>

[Elkwood]

Ever think about investing in a better cooler? >_>

The problem is that should not be the solution, stop advising ppl to drop 70 USD into a cooler for every piece of hardware, ESPECIALLY after SE admitted the game is the issue

[MonsieurVerde]

The problem is that should not be the solution, stop advising ppl to drop 70 USD into a cooler for every piece of hardware, ESPECIALLY after SE admitted the game is the issue

A Decent cooler is advised for everything. -_- It will keep your temps lower for every single thing you do. Also, you probably wouldn't need better coolers if you guys didn't buy referance cards. Likewise "Optimisation" won't magically lower your cards temp by 5C+. Whatever SE does won't lower your heat issues.

If the 80$ is spent on for more than just this game, I am sure you would see the need too.

[Elkwood]

A Decent cooler is advised for everything. -_- It will keep your temps lower for every single thing you do. Also, you probably wouldn't need better coolers if you guys didn't buy referance cards. Likewise "Optimisation" won't magically lower your cards temp by 5C+. Whatever SE does won't lower your heat issues.

If the 80$ is spent on for more than just this game, I am sure you would see the need too.

I'm pretty sure the EVGA cards are not considered reference cards

[Sinzfeldt]

I'm pretty sure the EVGA cards are not considered reference cards

This, you really need to stop spouting to everyone to buy coolers, is it your job to sell them or something?. Most GPUs come with decent coolers these days unless you buy older cards.

[MonsieurVerde]

I'm pretty sure the EVGA cards are not considered reference cards

EVGA does not make their own PCBs. They ONLY sell Reference cards and reference cards have the suckiest coolers. >_> THe only reason to buy a reference card is to Watercool it or to buy an awesome air cooler like the Accelero Xtreme.

Although it is cheaper to just buy a Non-reference card with a proven cooler...like the Twin Frozr stuff or certain HIS models. Not to mention that you don't risk breaking the card trying to remove the cooler or voiding warranties.

I am suggesting you buy a cooler, yes, because you are having heat problems. Optimising the code will not reduce the heat it carries with it by a large margin.