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  1. #81
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    If your wife wants "sexy and empowering" she won't find it here, THIS might be what she wants:



    ^Forget about how that plated thong is staying on her without any support (The bra as well)

    I SHALL KILL MY ENEMIES WITH MY BODY!!! THAT'S TOTALLY EMPOWERING!
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    Last edited by AsterBarnivere; 06-14-2012 at 07:14 AM.

  2. #82
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    Dear lord there's enough strawman arguments here to fill a football stadium. Ok, where to start.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    Ignore me all you want, it doesn't change the way the world works. People will judge you based on what you wear, and if you wear clothes that reveal large amounts of exposed skin people will assume it's because you have nothing else worth showing off.
    People want to judge then fine, that's human nature. But when you say treating a woman a certain way just by how they dress and you tread the same water as those who say women who expose "too much" skin deserve to be raped.
    Further reference so you can't claim that's out of context

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    All well and good, but if you want to dress like a brainless tramp then expect to be treated like a brainless tramp. Don't sit there and try to tell people you have every right to dress like a street walker but everyone has to treat you like a college professor. You present yourself that way, expect to be treated that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    Let me make it easier for you to understand. Two men walk into a job interview at a lawyer's office. One is wearing a suit and tie, has his face shaved and his hair nicely combed. The other has a half-beard, tattoos, a tongue piercing and plugs in his ears. Which do you think is more likely to get the job?
    Please show me where I even mentioned getting a job at a lawyers office? I would dismiss this argument on the basis that it has no relevance but it's just too easy. No where did I ever mention extreme cases of "peacocking" outside of a simple example of a right of women that they are free to be topless in New York, which is in fact, simply a free liberty of women.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    You can say all you want but you know damn well the guy in a suit will be taken more seriously and be more likely to get the job. You may not like it, but the world doesn't work in your myopic little fantasy land where people can do whatever they want but no one has the right to treat them differently. People will judge you based on appearances because it's the first thing they notice about you.
    As for the conclusion for your irrelevant and incomplete premise, you state the obvious. Yes, a person who dresses for a job will be taken more seriously than someone with the -same- qualifications who didn't dress for the job. But if you add to the premise that the latter of the two highly qualified with a masters degree in whatever law and the man in the suit and tie has a G.E.D. and no further education, the choice becomes more clear which will be taken more seriously. Which is the main point of your false argument that people should be treated how the dress. Also, I never mentioned a myopic fantasy land where people can do whatever they want and not be treated differently. My whole argument was something else entirely that I will get to when I'm done debunking you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    Try telling all those women who don't get a job because they have facebook pics of them in their underwear drinking beer that they can "wear whatever they want", let me know how hard they laugh at you.
    I would love to hear your logic how this ties in even given your irrelevant premise and self serving conclusion. There's a -massive- difference between being judged in a public place for dressing "sexy" by showing a little skin and being judged by actions deemed irresponsible by employers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    "You only get one chance for a first impression." It's an old saying, not because people say it all the time, but because, like all other sayings, it is true and profound.
    Again, has nothing to do with my argument but just adds to your irrelevant argument.
    Let me spell it out for you; my argument is that the attitude that women should cover up has caused a wide-spread damage in the image of women in society that can be viewed in a more extreme example in countries like Saudi Arabia where women aren't allowed to even show their eyes or ankles. Although western countries are not at this extreme, social pressures that any woman who dresses with sex appeal in mind makes them "brainless" or a "tramp". Dressing with sex appeal in mind is good. It makes men and women feel good alike, this is a fact, it's human nature, men and women like to be sexy when they aren't ashamed of their bodies and this mentality that people should cover up for some personal opinion of another is doing nothing but bringing the self-esteem of women down. This is my argument, this is my point, not what you have been spewing at me in your replies.

    And as a final rebuttal of your argument, which has almost nothing to do with mine; Fine, go ahead and judge, but just remember there's always two sides of the coin. While you can go enjoy your low self-esteemed selves and girlfriends/wifes who are ashamed of their body just remember the other side will be judging you as well. Just know that your judgement of others is more harmful than what you oppose.

    LT;DR YOU DIDN'T READ WHAT I SAID, BUT YOU'RE STILL WRONG.

    Excuse any typos, haven't slept yet and don't feel like proof reading.
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    Last edited by AmyNeudaiz; 06-14-2012 at 06:53 AM. Reason: made it look a little nicer

  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    Jesus christ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere View Post
    Saw that one coming. Damn you're quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere View Post

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    omg.... is he possessed?
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    Amy you are my new hero ^^ I am glad there is still some open minded people left in the world. I dress how I want and nothing will ever change that. <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere View Post
    If your wife wants "sexy and empowering" she won't find it here, THIS might be what she wants:



    ^Forget about how that plated thong is staying on her without any support (The bra as well)

    I SHALL KILL MY ENEMIES WITH MY BODY!!! THAT'S TOTALLY EMPOWERING
    I had an interesting experience with TERA. I was first attracted to the Castanic race because I thought, "Cool! Demon girl. Badass, right?" So I chose a Castanic and the first thing I notice is that they have this very funny running animation. They run bended over all the time with their arse up in the air (who runs/walks like that anyways? Who besides grandmas and grandpas?). So... I guess I can live with that if some of their clothing covered their hind sometimes... or they weren't all the equivalent of an eeny mini thong. But I discovered TERA had no pants! And I just have to laugh, because every time I move my character it looks like she's propositioning me. So the whole demongirl thing was a no go.

    Sexy is good but don't forget to mix it with class.
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    Last edited by Ashaylin; 06-14-2012 at 12:15 PM.

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    つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Tackle box or riot! つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

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    Full of win
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