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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonheart View Post
    Thanks Jinko, someone that understand what i mean ...

    Guys, if i say that it's because i have a lot of friends that left xiv cuz of lag first of all!

    Most of them are now doing Nightmare modes on SW (and some of them are crazy hard yeah)...

    So when i show them a video of what has been implemented on XIV, like Chimera, Garuda and etc. they simply laugh at me saying things like:

    -What kind of gameplay is that? All bind to the ground spamming actions?
    -WTF ranged shooting besides the rock and they don't get loss of target??
    - Why everything feels so heavy, slow and static?
    - Lol everyone ranged, 5 same class in a pt, where is the balance? etc

    And i simply can't contrast -what they say because i played always with them, did many first kill on wow (like lich king hm ) and so i know what they mean.

    SO i REALLY hope that 2.0 will succeed for me, ( so i can tell them that i was hoping the right :P) , and for all the ppl that quitted before like my friends to bring them back.
    Sorry guys

    Really hate to say it but I really hope 2.0 doesnt turn into anything like suggested above first of all

    WOW ruined MMOs!!!!!

    They brought in instant gratification and easy achievements and WTF Achievements !! thats a stupid COD concept


    Secondly the idea of most final fantasy is slow-medium paced imersive combat where strategy is prioritized above twitchy button pressing. (agreed FFXI was VERY slow - but the strategy element was perfect)

    Now wow lich king and big SW monsters spamming loads of buttons sounds fun in some ways but tbh i can get the same kind of excitement from BF3 or Call of Duty.

    Second WOW hard lol...

    Try Old school COP or Bahmut pre all this lvl 90 bull crap and abysea or whatever its called.

    Here a comparison of what insta grat games bring to the MMO community

    firstly 2007 very fun fight Bahmut V1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYot1ejXJ9o
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExP-qis3E5o

    Second Bahmut V1 2012 - post abysea bull

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUyyduk3pRg


    And heres another great old vid from the good old days of difficulty

    Bahmut V2 - 18 man battle !!

    And yes they are sub bosses awfully strong as well spawned during the fight and u have to kill them quick cos mega flare kills if bahmut uses it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkz0zVKwPsQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasagawa View Post

    Second WOW hard lol...

    Try Old school COP or Bahmut pre all this lvl 90 bull crap and abysea or whatever its called.

    Here a comparison of what insta grat games bring to the MMO community

    firstly 2007 very fun fight Bahmut V1
    I've played both CoP pre nerf and WoW heroic raids, and WoW is much much more difficult.

    You sound like someone who has played WoW for a week and not even experienced Heroic raids.

    Quote Originally Posted by ESAR View Post
    I'm not though, my ping to japan is 350ms and I'm 10300 ish km away, it's roughly the same distance as most of EU players. Some slightly more, some slightly less.

    Because I'm the same distance away from most of EU (not half the distance like you seem to think), I'm just not understanding why others complain so heavily about the lag.

    I have a pimped out rig with the highest speed internet I can get and I'm right in the city, so I'm not faced with every problem that most are.
    However, even with my internet, if I play on my laptop, I experience lag. I'm not talking framerate lag either, i'm talking serious delay in enemy response and when i get off my chocobo.
    On my laptop I consider the game unplayable for most things, that's why i only use it to craft.

    I've got it pegged as hardware related lag.
    If I had to guess, it's the nvidia gtx 540m.


    But it shouldn't be the distance. Google the distances, Toronto Canada.
    Well if its not frame rate issues and its not latency issues what is it ?

    It's one or the other, I didn't realise you get 300 ms from Canada my bad, even so you think 300ms isn't something to be concerned about ?

    I sure as hell do, granted this game may not have fast paced battle like WoW, but it does require quick thinking when moving out of eruptions/plumes and other stuff.

    I hope that in 2.0 the servers will allow for even more complex boss fights, the only problem then is the latency messing that up.

    Ifrit isn't that hectic and we all know how many issues that causes.

    P.s you say its not frame rate related but then blame the graphics card, make up your mind :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasagawa View Post
    Sorry guys


    WOW ruined MMOs!!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Jinko View Post
    I've played both CoP pre nerf and WoW heroic raids, and WoW is much much more difficult.

    I'm sorry Sasagawa, but once again i have to Agree with Jinko, i have did all the CoP stuffs prenerf, i don't remember a single hard encounter (well i remember a wipe to mammets lol) , nothing compared to ENTIRE WEEKS wiping for example Yogg Saronn 0 light (insane and fun at same time) Anub Rekhan (very hard but i hated it) , Mimiron, Lich King and i can list a lot more...

    Another funny fact, i used to play a lot FFXI while watching tv lol...
    Many time i tried while playing wow, but it resulted on a big wipe, and scold from the gm :P (another friends of mine) ...

    What i want say with this? That FFXI wasn't a game where skill of the player was required... (and talking by strategy.. where are the strategy that you talk about? It was just some position, kill some add (rarely) , maybe kiting, and standing in the point doing autoattack, autoattack, autoattack > ws ... )
    While in WoW , a very little mistake costs you a wipe and of course even a lag spike of 1-2 second for example... (and yes imho, there the strategy where much more complex than standing in the point and spamming ws... )
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    Last edited by Dragonheart; 06-12-2012 at 12:33 AM.