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    Calling a reduction from 250ms ping to around 120 ms or less "a few milliseconds" is kind of funny. Network latency could be halved for european players and reduced by over 70% for most of the american players by putting up servers on the east coast of the US for all of us outside of Asia. In addition, it would probably keep network latencies more stable.

    Implementing regional servers doesn't mean you can't get friends outside of your country either. It's not like there would be one server for each country after all. Everyone in for example Italy or Sweden would be playing with *at least* everyone else in Europe, and probably also American players if they go for a dual location solution: one bunch of servers for the "west" and one bunch of servers for the "east". Additionally, this wouldn't be too much of a problem if they still let people choose freely which servers they wanted to join. Then the european players that want low latency for endgame play could choose an european server, which would make sense anyway because it would be practical to be on a server where most people in the endgame shell are in the same or similar time zones. At the same time, people who don't consider the endgame *that* important can still make characters on whichever servers their international friends are on.

    With the quick leveling we have in this game (at least for now), it wouldn't be problematic for one person to have characters on multiple regional servers anyway. As far as I can see for the suggested pricing models for v2, the "basic service" will include one character per server, up to a maximum of 8 characters. That leaves plenty of space for characters on European servers, American servers and even Japanese servers.

    With regional servers, we can all both have our cake, and eat it too!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    Calling a reduction from 250ms ping to around 120 ms or less "a few milliseconds" is kind of funny. Network latency could be halved for european players and reduced by over 70% for most of the american players by putting up servers on the east coast of the US for all of us outside of Asia. In addition, it would probably keep network latencies more stable.

    With the quick leveling we have in this game (at least for now), it wouldn't be problematic for one person to have characters on multiple regional servers anyway. As far as I can see for the suggested pricing models for v2, the "basic service" will include one character per server, up to a maximum of 8 characters. That leaves plenty of space for characters on European servers, American servers and even Japanese servers.

    With regional servers, we can all both have our cake, and eat it too!.
    Except SE's American office is in LA which is on the west coast, so if they put some servers in US and not Europe we would still suffer, and buying a new office in New York just for FFXIV servers is not viable, if they did this they would need servers in US, JP and EU, then the ones in EU would be 1/3rd English, 1/3rd German and 1/3 French (numbers pulled out my ass for that) so we would not only have lower population, but less people that speak fluent enough of the same language to do harder fights with, not to mention the insomniacs that play at night would have no one to play with.

    I know your reply will be "sort them by language then" but that would throw in the old UK players get messed over with servers in LA (similar latency as Japan) or dead servers.

    International servers only for me, if I'm forced onto a dead European server or worse a European English only server I will be quitting, I have too many friends in America and other places (we even have a Japanese person in my ls, so yes they will play with us.)

    Also your comment about how fast leveling is, who even said it will remain the same come 2.0? Post me to the interview because I must have missed that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    Except SE's American office is in LA which is on the west coast, so if they put some servers in US and not Europe we would still suffer, and buying a new office in New York just for FFXIV servers is not viable, if they did this they would need servers in US, JP and EU, then the ones in EU would be 1/3rd English, 1/3rd German and 1/3 French (numbers pulled out my ass for that) so we would not only have lower population, but less people that speak fluent enough of the same language to do harder fights with, not to mention the insomniacs that play at night would have no one to play with.

    I know your reply will be "sort them by language then" but that would throw in the old UK players get messed over with servers in LA (similar latency as Japan) or dead servers.

    International servers only for me, if I'm forced onto a dead European server or worse a European English only server I will be quitting, I have too many friends in America and other places (we even have a Japanese person in my ls, so yes they will play with us.)

    Also your comment about how fast leveling is, who even said it will remain the same come 2.0? Post me to the interview because I must have missed that one.
    You probably wouldn't have a lower population on EU servers, because the total number of operative EU servers would most likely scale with the total number of European players. If you have 50000 US players and 20000 EU players, you don't give both regions 10 servers, you give one region 10 and the other region 4, leading to approximately the same number of players per server.

    I didn't even think of suggesting to sort them by language. In fact, I wouldn't suggest to enforce regions at all, and I've said that several times already. My suggestion is that there will be set up servers in more than one geographical location, and that people would be able to freely choose which servers they wanted to play on, based on what's more important for them.

    If you're a british person who is playing from midnight and into the morning hours, the choice should be simple. Join an american server. If you're a German guy playing during normal European primetime hours, and consider lag to be an issue, you would choose an European server with or without a high population of other german players, depending on how good you are at English. Most germans I know of are good enough at it to have normal conversations with.

    As for SEs offices being on the west coast, that could be an issue, but it is possible that this would be solvable by having an east coast based company sort out the hardware part of this problem. Outsorcing isn't an issue if you outsource your stuff to competent people, and you can do a lot with remote management today when it comes to software configuration.

    The way I see it, worst case scenario: You get the same lag as you would get with international servers, and can still play with your friends. Best case scenario: You get less lag and can play with your friends who also might be in the same time zone as you, making it easier to organize events for most players.

    As for leveling speed in v2, you might have a point. No one knows exactly how fast or slow leveling will be in v2. It might be slower than it currently is, but I really doubt it will be anywhere near as slow as it was in FF11 (well, old-school FF11. Today, it is ridiculously fast).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    You probably wouldn't have a lower population on EU servers, because the total number of operative EU servers would most likely scale with the total number of European players. If you have 50000 US players and 20000 EU players, you don't give both regions 10 servers, you give one region 10 and the other region 4, leading to approximately the same number of players per server.

    I didn't even think of suggesting to sort them by language. In fact, I wouldn't suggest to enforce regions at all, and I've said that several times already. My suggestion is that there will be set up servers in more than one geographical location, and that people would be able to freely choose which servers they wanted to play on, based on what's more important for them.

    If you're a british person who is playing from midnight and into the morning hours, the choice should be simple. Join an american server. If you're a German guy playing during normal European primetime hours, and consider lag to be an issue, you would choose an European server with or without a high population of other german players, depending on how good you are at English. Most germans I know of are good enough at it to have normal conversations with.

    As for SEs offices being on the west coast, that could be an issue, but it is possible that this would be solvable by having an east coast based company sort out the hardware part of this problem. Outsorcing isn't an issue if you outsource your stuff to competent people, and you can do a lot with remote management today when it comes to software configuration.

    The way I see it, worst case scenario: You get the same lag as you would get with international servers, and can still play with your friends. Best case scenario: You get less lag and can play with your friends who also might be in the same time zone as you, making it easier to organize events for most players.

    As for leveling speed in v2, you might have a point. No one knows exactly how fast or slow leveling will be in v2. It might be slower than it currently is, but I really doubt it will be anywhere near as slow as it was in FF11 (well, old-school FF11. Today, it is ridiculously fast).
    The thing is alot of people say "give us regional servers" and alot agree, it takes awhile to get people to say to make them optional, I am just saying, if SE did force us onto regional servers I know alot would quit and the majority seem to think its regional or gtfo.

    I have nothing wrong with making it optional, I just don't want SE to force us, also what if someone makes a character on a European server, then moves to America, and lets say (because there has been no set in stone confirmation) there are no server transfers, to play with people you would have to reroll which is a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    The thing is alot of people say "give us regional servers" and alot agree, it takes awhile to get people to say to make them optional, I am just saying, if SE did force us onto regional servers I know alot would quit and the majority seem to think its regional or gtfo.

    I have nothing wrong with making it optional, I just don't want SE to force us, also what if someone makes a character on a European server, then moves to America, and lets say (because there has been no set in stone confirmation) there are no server transfers, to play with people you would have to reroll which is a bad thing.
    I feel pretty confident that v2 will eventually get server transfers. Every other MMO has that, even FF11. The chance of not getting server transfers is so minimal that it's not really worth mentioning.

    Quote Originally Posted by RahJah View Post
    Many people are experiencing latency due to end-user hardware issues. Try turning all of the settings to low and see if your latency problems improve. If not, then it is the server I assume.
    The vast majority are experiencing latency due to network latency, simply because of the fact that there is a limit to how fast signals can travel across the globe. FF14 can't break the laws of physics any more than any other game. If you don't live in asia, you are network having lag. It is impossible not to have. How much you personally care about lag and how annoyed you get by it can of course vary from person to person.
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