Relic Weapon Revival (06/06/2012)

[Jynx]

I need to get a group together for Hamlet...I really want that Hamlet cutters hat.

[Suirieko]

I just did the quest. It's two Craftsman's Cunning IVs.

Can you please provide screenshot of this? You can't even equip Craftman's Cunning to sword.

[Enfarious]

That post was in response to somebody else. Also, I do know how long it will take. A long time because it's a RELIC. I don't hundreds of millions of gil, I had 40mil. I have since spent around 15mil on attempts to double meld an obelisk. I had failed all 3 attempts. I'm not complaining though. Of course this item is going to take long to get it's supposed to be the best weapon in the game. If you don't like how it is then don't attempt to get it. It's not a requirement to get these weapons, I can guarantee that there will only be a handful of people with them for a very long time.

I think the point you and so many others are overlooking/turning a blind eye to is that the time investment is completely based on /randomness. If lady luck favors you on Tuesday and you get your dbl meld 1/1 your 9 seals in 9 hamlet wins it takes you a week and little money. If she's a bitch and you go 1/10 on your dbl meld and your 9 seals take 140 wins then you've spent substantial time and money.

Random isn't a measure of skill or dedication, it's a measure of how much gambling frustration you can take and your stubbornness, or a measure of how lucky you are.

Is the idea that the people that have relics are only the ones that have luck in their corner really the way it should be?
Or perhaps it should be the people that invest substantial time/money and actual show they're dedicated to that goal?

The idea that you might need to, like FFXI Relics/Mythics, need to put in HUGE amounts of time and/or money should be what slows people down and even stops them from bothering. It should NOT be from repeated RNG mushroom stamping.

[Brannigan]

I think we went like 4/6 (or 4/7 or 4/8 maybe I lost track) tonight. It's going to be extremely random if you're doing pickup groups, which kind of sucks. The content is completely PUGable but the way the rewards are handled could make it a nightmare. One guy got two seals (and a robe and gauntlets) and the other two went to two different people. So those people made good progress but the rest of us didn't at all. It's strange that they finally got a loot system kind of right with Garuda but then go and do this stuff again.

That double meld could end up being super lame too. I know I've shattered more than 5 or 6 double melds in a row before.

[Velhart]

I think the point you and so many others are overlooking/turning a blind eye to is that the time investment is completely based on /randomness. If lady luck favors you on Tuesday and you get your dbl meld 1/1 your 9 seals in 9 hamlet wins it takes you a week and little money. If she's a bitch and you go 1/10 on your dbl meld and your 9 seals take 140 wins then you've spent substantial time and money.

Random isn't a measure of skill or dedication, it's a measure of how much gambling frustration you can take and your stubbornness, or a measure of how lucky you are.

Is the idea that the people that have relics are only the ones that have luck in their corner really the way it should be?
Or perhaps it should be the people that invest substantial time/money and actual show they're dedicated to that goal?

The idea that you might need to, like FFXI Relics/Mythics, need to put in HUGE amounts of time and/or money should be what slows people down and even stops them from bothering. It should NOT be from repeated RNG mushroom stamping.

I do agree with this. The process pretty much revolves around everything people hate in this game and want to be changed. Content based off the RNG system, which several threads here have fought against. Spamming content over and over again. This time it is costing money to do so. I don't mind having to spend a large chunk of gil to meet my goal, but if I spend a large amount of gil, I better get what I payed for. I don't want to spend tons of gil on something that may break.

In FFXI, you were guaranteed currency per Dynamis run, and was able to work towards something. Dynamis may have cost 1 million gil per run, but you did get your currency and was able to make progress.

I don't understand the 1.xx Dev teams idea of hard work. They keep telling me this game is a theme park, but it is actually a casino. This game as a whole does not reward the skilled player, it does not reward the dedicated player, it only rewards the lucky player. Some people in MMO's like to play and get highest gear to show they are the best. Anyone here barely feels that way in this game. I don't look at someone in full Darklight and say "Wow, he must be real skilled to get that whole set in that given time.". I think to myself "This person got a full set when I have been doing dungeons every night and only have hands to show for it.".

I am sorry, it just isn't right. Almost to the point of being immoral. For relics, I want to work towards something, I want to know each day I put towards it counts for something. I do not want to pull a lever on a slot machine and hope for the best. It just isn't right.

I feel like the developers take our feedback on the RNG system and throw it straight in the shredder. Will it be in 2.0? I am not sure. All I do know is that I know people quit this game till 2.0 just because of the horrible RNG system. They went to games that rewarded their time and effort, small or big. I go to a dungeon in WoW, the item that I wanted didn't drop that time, however I did get Valor Points towards other gear I am looking for. Not only that, even though the item I wanted didn't drop, it still dropped an item that someone else wanted. Fair system is fair.

I guess it is hard to go back and change it now, but the 1.xx team has absolutely no grasp on how to properly reward players for their time.

[Madruk]

You can't get it anymore ezmode now if you're willing to put in the work to get in the top 3 ranking if you want your seals.

Was about to rage after my 9th double meld fail but managed to pull it off on the 10th.

[Enfarious]

You can't get it anymore ezmode now if you're willing to put in the work to get in the top 3 ranking if you want your seals.

Was about to rage after my 9th double meld fail but managed to pull it off on the 10th.

So the answer here:
Bot hamlet while I'm at work. Then throw gil at the RNG til I get 3 choco's in the middle bar?

I'd rather get my ass handed to me by difficult content that CAN'T be easily run through to a boss to get a SR chest. I'd rather do nightly event to farm currency to buy/upgrade a weapon. Hey maybe I've just been ruined by years of working for things and not playing the slots hoping to win my rent.

It's funny really, the people in favor of a RNG system are those that have 50mil to throw at the problem. Those that went through nearly a year of nothing to do but level and make money. Those people that will get to the final stage because like in Vegas if you've got enough to throw at it you'll eventually win something. Think about everyone that comes after you, people that started playing 3 months ago and haven't got anywhere near that kind of bankroll. What do you say to them? "Too bad about your luck, I know your working really hard maybe tomorrow you'll get that 5th seal it's only been 3 months. It took me almost a month to get all mine, of course I already had everything leveled and had the gil to throw at the crafting/melding that it was easy peasy." I know I know you pioneered so you deserve more/better than anyone else. And god forbid you want the game to be changed for the better, that would be sacrilege.

[Zezlar]

So the answer here:
Bot hamlet while I'm at work. Then throw gil at the RNG til I get 3 choco's in the middle bar?

I'd rather get my ass handed to me by difficult content that CAN'T be easily run through to a boss to get a SR chest. I'd rather do nightly event to farm currency to buy/upgrade a weapon. Hey maybe I've just been ruined by years of working for things and not playing the slots hoping to win my rent.

It's funny really, the people in favor of a RNG system are those that have 50mil to throw at the problem. Those that went through nearly a year of nothing to do but level and make money. Those people that will get to the final stage because like in Vegas if you've got enough to throw at it you'll eventually win something. Think about everyone that comes after you, people that started playing 3 months ago and haven't got anywhere near that kind of bankroll. What do you say to them? "Too bad about your luck, I know your working really hard maybe tomorrow you'll get that 5th seal it's only been 3 months. It took me almost a month to get all mine, of course I already had everything leveled and had the gil to throw at the crafting/melding that it was easy peasy." I know I know you pioneered so you deserve more/better than anyone else. And god forbid you want the game to be changed for the better, that would be sacrilege.

I don't think anyone really likes the randomness of the quest combined with the luck factor. However this is a Relic Quest so for once i'll make the exception. It's not meant to be undertaken and completed by every single person in the game. Is there an RNG element to it? Yeah there is, but it's not as bad as a lot of people here make it seem. I never even got close to my relic in XI as you needed TONs of currency. The rest of the quest isn't even out yet so how can you complain about something that's not finished? Perhaps there will be a retarded super boss waiting at the end.

If people got statics together they should all see at least 1 seal a day or even every other day. They can't really nerf this anymore than they already did. Hell if you have 50 Gatherers and also go Spiritbond as a team in a stronghold you shouldn't have to spend more than a mill on your relics.

[Madrox]

sorry this is offtopic but can someone please point a returned player to info on how to get the second slot to double meld? not having luck finding it. thanks.

[TheVedis]

sorry this is offtopic but can someone please point a returned player to info on how to get the second slot to double meld? not having luck finding it. thanks.

you have to do 10 normal melds first then go back to the npc who gave you the key item to get it upgraded