Dalamud impact / Odin.

[Teakwood]

Man, I was getting all ready to get all lore-dork on the OP and then I actually realised that's /plausible/.

It'd be -absolutely hilarious- if the Garleans were, unwittingly or knowingly, using a Primal in their plans to fight the Primals.

And they did say Odin wouldn't be a Primal in the vein of Ifrit/Garuda/Leviathan/Titan, since they already had other plans for him...

Odin was (arguably) the single central NPC in the FFXI storyline, the single point tying the entire thing together. I've been -waiting- for him to appear in XIV, and... now you've really got me thinking. (Other plausible inhabitants of Dalamud-as-a-prison: Ramuh, given the purple lightning bolts? I really like the idea of Dalamud as a prison the Empire is going to inadvertently unlock all over Eorzea.)

[faris]

Man, I was getting all ready to get all lore-dork on the OP and then I actually realised that's /plausible/.

It'd be -absolutely hilarious- if the Garleans were, unwittingly or knowingly, using a Primal in their plans to fight the Primals.

And they did say Odin wouldn't be a Primal in the vein of Ifrit/Garuda/Leviathan/Titan, since they already had other plans for him...

Odin was (arguably) the single central NPC in the FFXI storyline, the single point tying the entire thing together. I've been -waiting- for him to appear in XIV, and... now you've really got me thinking. (Other plausible inhabitants of Dalamud-as-a-prison: Ramuh, given the purple lightning bolts? I really like the idea of Dalamud as a prison the Empire is going to inadvertently unlock all over Eorzea.)

kekekekeke, glad to please!

There's the possibility that other primals are imprisoned within this moon; but I'm just going for what's in concept art. I personally think the circles' colour is for Odin, but you could be right. I'm interested in what the Sylph said earlier in the main storyline too; that summoning and using the primals twisted and corrupted the Beast races into what they are now. Clouded their minds, as such. The Garlean Empire are related to the Allagan Empire. ...Doesn't the armor of Van Darnus and Van whatever look very Odin?

Perhaps, at impact, the Empire's soldiers and such will be twisted and corrupted into hybrid forms, like the Ixali and Ama'jaa as a result of Odin's power. Perhaps -- which leads me to wonder if the Beast races were once human themselves.

On another note, given SE's infatuation with Norse mythology, I find it hilarious that the two remaining Primals that have been shown in concept art, that we haven't encountered yet are based on central characters of Ragnarok.
Leviathan's similarity to a certain dragon which spanned the world and would crush it underneath him at Ragnarok is really uncanny. And just to throw something else out there (though the likelihood of this is so small) what if, as a surprise, Fenrir appears? Again, as Norse mythology states, Fenrir is the one that will destroy Odin at Ragnarok. The "lol, surprise!" of that would be awesome.

[NoloeTazier]

kekekekeke, glad to please!

There's the possibility that other primals are imprisoned within this moon; but I'm just going for what's in concept art. I personally think the circles' colour is for Odin, but you could be right. I'm interested in what the Sylph said earlier in the main storyline too; that summoning and using the primals twisted and corrupted the Beast races into what they are now. Clouded their minds, as such. The Garlean Empire are related to the Allagan Empire. ...Doesn't the armor of Van Darnus and Van whatever look very Odin?

Perhaps, at impact, the Empire's soldiers and such will be twisted and corrupted into hybrid forms, like the Ixali and Ama'jaa as a result of Odin's power. Perhaps -- which leads me to wonder if the Beast races were once human themselves.

On another note, given SE's infatuation with Norse mythology, I find it hilarious that the two remaining Primals that have been shown in concept art, that we haven't encountered yet are based on central characters of Ragnarok.
Leviathan's similarity to a certain dragon which spanned the world and would crush it underneath him at Ragnarok is really uncanny. And just to throw something else out there (though the likelihood of this is so small) what if, as a surprise, Fenrir appears? Again, as Norse mythology states, Fenrir is the one that will destroy Odin at Ragnarok. The "lol, surprise!" of that would be awesome.

Yeah I went back into the concept art and noticed Odin's armor looks very Garlean like. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Odin is sealed inside Dalamud, maybe the Allagans summoned Odin but couldn't control him and Dalamud was the last ditch effort to seal him, and they made the transmitters so at a later time they could unseal him and finally kill him. The Devs said Odin will become stronger everytime he's defeated, could this be why the Allagans had to seal him?

You bring up the twisting of those who summoned the primals, could be that a group of the Empire becomes twisted into the Gigas beastmen race that's suppose to appear in Coerthas. Coerthas also being the place of Odin.

[faris]

Yeah I went back into the concept art and noticed Odin's armor looks very Garlean like. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Odin is sealed inside Dalamud, maybe the Allagans summoned Odin but couldn't control him and Dalamud was the last ditch effort to seal him, and they made the transmitters so at a later time they could unseal him and finally kill him. The Devs said Odin will become stronger everytime he's defeated, could this be why the Allagans had to seal him?

You bring up the twisting of those who summoned the primals, could be that a group of the Empire becomes twisted into the Gigas beastmen race that's suppose to appear in Coerthas. Coerthas also being the place of Odin.

I'm thinking exactly what you're thinking with Dalamud. Also, it's so Final Fantasy for ancients being way smarter than us present-day idiots, and we screw it all up somehow. Yoshi-P wanted a "Final Fantasy feel", so perhaps it's coming in form of that trope.

That's a possibility too, with the gigas! But I'm thinking more of the Vans. What if they're already partially twisted, and the actual impact will make them worse? Or make all of the Empire's soldiers like them? That thought would be terrifying.

[NoloeTazier]

I'm thinking exactly what you're thinking with Dalamud. Also, it's so Final Fantasy for ancients being way smarter than us present-day idiots, and we screw it all up somehow. Yoshi-P wanted a "Final Fantasy feel", so perhaps it's coming in form of that trope.

That's a possibility too, with the gigas! But I'm thinking more of the Vans. What if they're already partially twisted, and the actual impact will make them worse? Or make all of the Empire's soldiers like them? That thought would be terrifying.

Yeah exactly, like someone said in another thread, math wise its been about 4500+ years since the Allagans were alive. That is a lot of time for stories to be forgotten. People who weren't apart of the Allagan empire would probably just assume it was another moon.

Well, in FFXI, the Knights of Odin were all, strictly speaking and playing the long game, on the side of Vana'diel; that was the central plot twist of three out of four expansions. I'm not -quite- ready to say that van Darnus actually is right when he says he's bringing about the apocalypse for our own good, but...

I'm not sure it's Odin- although now that I've seen your theorising I'm /nearly/ sure- but I think it's a safe bet that Dalamud is a prison.

More (admittedly circumstantial) evidence towards the existence of technology for imprisoning Primals - in the opening movie, the Garlean airship which the Guardian of the Lake destroys explodes in a huge aetheric surge; several Primals including Ifrit recognisably launch themselves out of said aetheric surge, implying to me that prior to that moment 20-odd years ago, the Primals of Eorzea were still imprisoned - perhaps within Allagan technology that the Empire had taken control of.

Here's a spitball - Odin manipulated someone into attempting to use ancient Allagan tech to vacuum up the Keeper of the Lake into the airship, knowing that the Keeper would bring the airship down and go down with it, releasing Primals trapped within the ship. Then, 20 years later, Odin manipulates von Darnus into another attack on Eorzea, this time utilising Dalamud, bringing it close enough that he'll be able to escape back into Eorzea!

I've put far too much thought into this

To me watching the CS, the Primals aren't released until the crashing into Silvertear Lake. Maybe the Primals were inside of the Crystal Tower asleep and the crash interrupted the aether flow of the area, woke them up, and they were free.

I'm definitely for the idea that Odin is manipulating the Vans, same way Nidhogg manipulated the Dragoon guy. The armor is just so eerily similar.

OH YEAH maybe you can answer this one for me: Where in-text is it confirmed that the Keeper of the Lake's proper name is Midgardsormr? I feel really silly asking this but I somehow haven't stumbled upon that bit of text and it's driving me crazy.

I wish there were a Lore forum! I know they're planning on adding one but it can't come soon enough.

A NPC in Ul'Dah? tells you. But also: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Midgardsormr

[faris]

Yeah exactly, like someone said in another thread, math wise its been about 4500+ years since the Allagans were alive. That is a lot of time for stories to be forgotten. People who weren't apart of the Allagan empire would probably just assume it was another moon.

And I can't forget a certain quote from van raven (my new nickname for him.) At Ifrit's defeat, he said something like the old emperors of Allagan would turn in their graves if they knew of the present day folk's ignorance regarding the primals. If they knew of what the Primals were doing, it's so likely that they constructed Dalamud to contain them.

[Teakwood]

That's not actually sauce though! Any random silly could have gone and put that on the wikia. However, I believe that it's actually ingame; I'm curious about what NPC it is, though, and in what context.

Also, what Crystal Tower? Is there actual in-game mention of the Tower or where/what it is? I know that there's an ancient burial complex in/around/under Mor Dhona, but I'm confused as to what you're talking about exactly. I'm gonna go and rewatch the opening movie, though; there might be something here I missed (and it's been a while; that thing's fun to watch.)

[NoloeTazier]

That's not actually sauce though! Any random silly could have gone and put that on the wikia. However, I believe that it's actually ingame; I'm curious about what NPC it is, though, and in what context.

Also, what Crystal Tower? Is there actual in-game mention of the Tower or where/what it is? I know that there's an ancient burial complex in/around/under Mor Dhona, but I'm confused as to what you're talking about exactly. I'm gonna go and rewatch the opening movie, though; there might be something here I missed (and it's been a while; that thing's fun to watch.)

Its just assumed its called the Crystal Tower, the place under Mor Dhona. I think its translated as Crystal Tower or people call it that cause the way it looks in the concept art. Its been forever since I've ran around talking to npcs in each city. Funny that a few DO have useful info lol. Yeah I'm just speculating what I think and have witnessed. With the way zones are changing in 2.0 we could name countless ways Odin and others appear. Hopefully 1.23 and the Twelve Mythos will shed light on whats really happening and whats going to happen to us, more storyline.

[Garlen]

Also, what Crystal Tower? Is there actual in-game mention of the Tower or where/what it is? I know that there's an ancient burial complex in/around/under Mor Dhona, but I'm confused as to what you're talking about exactly. I'm gonna go and rewatch the opening movie, though; there might be something here I missed (and it's been a while; that thing's fun to watch.)

The Crystal Tower was talked about in one of the lore articles that they post on the Lodestone occasionally. I believe it talked about it being underneath Mor Dhona.