ZAM gave up on FFXIV?

[gahoo]

Some of the comments here about the Gamerescape wiki make me sad. I guess I should assume that the comments of a few are not necessarily representative of the community as a whole, but nevertheless, a very small group of people spend countless hours on the site just for fun and to help out the community - and try to make it a valuable resource, and one that is easy to use.

The wiki is up to date. In fact, as far as I can tell it is more up to date than the dat mining sites, which have far less info than we have. Not sure any other sites have any action/combo information, levequest, quest or mission information. There are also player guides, pages describing things like Hamlet Defense and Inns. Item pages have HQ information, condition information, usage (i.e. food/alchemy) information, plus associations with levequests, quests, chests and mobs. Not sure anyone else has any lore information, mob family information, any NPC information other than maybe merchants, and certainly none of their dialogue. No other site has any quest dialogue. That's just off top of my head.

I like some of the above referenced sites. I respect dat mining sites and think that they can add to a community's collective knowledge base, but I think our wiki has its place too and hope that people find it useful. If there are things that people want please let us know so we can work on it. And by "we" I mean the 3-4 people actively working on the wiki in their spare, volunteer, time.

[Veltaine]

The wiki is up to date. In fact, as far as I can tell it is more up to date than the dat mining sites, which have far less info than we have. Not sure any other sites have any action/combo information, levequest, quest or mission information. There are also player guides, pages describing things like Hamlet Defense and Inns. Item pages have HQ information, condition information, usage (i.e. food/alchemy) information, plus associations with levequests, quests, chests and mobs. Not sure anyone else has any lore information, mob family information, any NPC information other than maybe merchants, and certainly none of their dialogue. quest dialogue.

If you don't mind, ill be adding this to the front. not many people are aware of what your site is (including me)

[Zyph]

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I know this should be said on the GamerEscape feedback forums, but my biggest issues are article page width, and the fact that I cannot edit all of the article on each page.

Let's take Monk's page for example. I go to the page, see a good deal of information stored there. But I see something's off or missing, so I click edit. Now, I cannot edit anything related to the general info section (Base Class, Guild Location, Weapons, etc). I can also not edit anything related to it's actions, gear, or job quests. So what if I wanted the article to not say that Monk's guild location is at the Platinum Mirage (which it's not, Jobs don't have "guilds"), I cannot edit it and have to wait for it to undergo a full design revamp by the higher ups. In addition to this, I also tried to edit the page when the ability icons were just stubs and found I could not even access that section of the page. So what I ended up doing was just giving up and being bitter.

As for the page width thing, it's really hard to write a comprehensive and easy to read gear guide using a similar format to the BST gear guide from FFXIclopedia when everything is sqeezed into 1000px width.

I know as I've tried to do both.

I feel like the switch from Eorzeapedia being very similar to FFXIclopedia at the time, to Eorzeapedia turning into GamerEscape was exactly like the way Facebook keeps updating its UI every 2 months. There's no reason for it, it makes things convoluted, and puts people off. Why fix something that isn't broken? Why make people jump through hoops to edit something simple on a page?

[Fusionx]

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Guilds on job pages is probably an oversight on our end. I think we're still using the class template for the job pages since the two display very similar information.

In regards to changing say an icon for an ability so it appears on the job page list, you need to change the icon on the actual page for that ability.
Lets say there's no icon for Hundred Fists, go to the hundred fists page, upload the icon from there, and then it will show wherever that icon is called.

The way our system works is if you update an item/ability, it will update on any page on the wiki where it's listed. That way you don't have to make a bunch of edits on a bunch of pages for the same time.

Hope that makes sense ^^;

Also in regards to the site design.. back when we had Eorzeapedia, we had people complain that the site was too wide. Too big, too small... unfortunately we just can't make everyone happy. I've been working on some ideas to polish up the layout of the site, however I'm not experienced with coding that type of stuff, and we only have a very, very few amount of people that do, and their time is very limited due to other activities. So while it may be a bit further away then everyone would like, it's still most certainly on our list of things to do.

[Zyph]

The way our system works is if you update an item/ability, it will update on any page on the wiki where it's listed. That way you don't have to make a bunch of edits on a bunch of pages for the same time.

That... makes... a whole lot of sense actually. Very object oriented.


Alright, with those things in mind I think I'll go back to trying to improve the wiki like I used to. Thanks for the explanation!

[Riv]

My issue with the wiki is it doesn't seem as clear cut as FFXIclopedia was.

[Haibel]

My issue with the wiki is it doesn't seem as clear cut as FFXIclopedia was.

Was is the optimal word. I like FFXIclopedia 3 years ago before they changed the way the front page was setup.
it was much easier to get to the info I was looking for then the way it's set-up now.