job balancing discussion (1.22a-hotfix)

[Dzian]

Here's the problem with that logic - you're assuming Archer has no other worthile functions besides damage.

This flatly isn't true. Their unique support functions alone solidify their position and the fact that having two insures both buffs being used encourages stacking - something that should NOT be encouraged at all.

Adding 'On par' Damage functions on top of that, and you've a class that's silently OP.

The payment for arrows (And please, cry to me about your arrow costs, when I can pay 4-6k a piece for my top tier javlins. And yes, I use them. They make all the difference in a pinch.) is the cost for your relatively safe damage.

IMO Bards should not be contenders for 'on par' damage. They should be on a tier slightly below, as they offer more to damage than just their own performance. Unless of course, you want to take a "Cleric's Stance" approach to all this.

2 things:- 1 if i was crying about arrow cost i wouldnt play the class. but it still rings true that there should be a justifiable reason for the expense. and if it was simply range people would simply take mages. the expense is what you typically pay to be able to do good damage at a decent range.

2: like the guy below you i levelled archer to be a dd class... and in se's logic of trying to make classes viable alongside jobs one would assume that if i wanted to be pure dd i could simply roll effectively as an archer and say screw bard. but waittttttttt the nerf kills an archers damage dealing to and an archer offers no buffs to the party as such. thus without bard songs an archer offers nothing.

without the lightshot spam between skills an archers damage falls a long way short of almost every dd class/job in the game

so the very first line of what you said is wrong bacause an archer has no other worthwhile functions other than its damage

I am astonished at the quantity of posters in this thread that are under the impression that Bard was somehow subpar DD.

it wasn't a sub par dd but with the recent change that prevents lightshot spam between combos there damage dealing just got knocked down a lot.....