1.22 - 1.22a - 1.22b changes

[waldo]

Lol...you do realize that post goes against your entire argument right? The irony is killing me. Youre trying to say PLDs are subpar tanks yet link a post where a healer says otherwise. I honestly think you forgot what you were originally arguing about. You proved ace's point just now lol.

My point is to ace, I do have a decent grasp of what I'm talking about here. Now for you, read the post closer, you'll see the healer said I tanked 'as good as a war'... It doesn't say paladins are on par, if 95% of warriors can do the job well, and only 10% of the paladins, it underscores the problem.

Not every paladin has +1 rings, melded +1 gear, and some double melded gear. For the most part warriors can do just as well as I do, and I will admit, many times better than I can do at tanking wearing NQ items And AF armor.

[Lux_Rayna]

My point is to ace, I do have a decent grasp of what I'm talking about here. Now for you, read the post closer, you'll see the healer said I tanked 'as good as a war'... It doesn't say paladins are on par, if 95% of warriors can do the job well, and only 10% of the paladins, it underscores the problem.

Not every paladin has +1 rings, melded +1 gear, and some double melded gear. For the most part warriors can do just as well as I do, and I will admit, many times better than I can do at tanking wearing NQ items And AF armor.

If you tanked as good as a war you tanked on par with a war. And according to the healer, the tank in question was not wearing anything "that would be out of the question for the avg paladin to obtain". Course if you disagree thats another thing, but if you can do the job well without crazy out-of-your-mind gear than its obvious that "PLD" is not the problem. The fact that only 10% of Paladins do well is more of a function of the playerbase..not the class. Some jobs are harder to play properly than others, it doesn't mean that job is inferior to another one. All it means is that you actually have to have a brain to play it successfully. Difficult to play well =/= subpar in any universe.

[MoarLegion]

Some jobs are harder to play properly than others, it doesn't mean that job is inferior to another one. All it means is that you actually have to have a brain to play it successfully. Difficult to play well =/= subpar in any universe.

Occam's Razor: The path requiring the least explanation is probably correct. Having tanked as both WAR and PLD, I can say that PLD requires more micromanagement, where as WAR requires collusion and facerolling cooldowns, which leads me to another point.

If difficulty of use yields similar results to something of less difficulty, then that is a problem. If PLD is harder to use, there should be a greater payout to match that level of difficulty. That is not the current status quo between the two jobs.

A "really good paladin" is equal to a "just ok" warrior, and that is a problem. If I have to try 3 times harder, than I should get 3 times the payout in terms of survivability, enmity generation, party assistance, or all categories. If there is no greater payout, then that means PLD is inferior to WAR.

Edit: breaking wall of text.

[waldo]

And according to the healer, the tank in question was not wearing anything "that would be out of the question for the avg paladin to obtain".

+1 winglet with double enmity, +1 double meld cobalt celta, +1 rings, sent gloves & boots with 60HP meld, +1 belt. These things aren't exactly dark light gear, (out of the question) but there not exactly AF either. If you know the correct way to play and have better gear, you should do a little better than 'as good as a warrior' correct? Especially being the primary tanking class as deemed by yoshi himself.

Thank god this will all be irrelevant soon. 1.22b /joy

[SwordCoheir]

Thank God this will all be irrelevant soon. 1.22b /joy

I wouldn't jump the gun just yet saying that it will Fix PLD. From the way things are looking, Yoshi is just going to do little upgrades and tweak as necessary, which means it might be a few more updates before PLD is relevant enough to compete with WAR as a tank.

[waldo]

I wouldn't jump the gun just yet saying that it will Fix PLD. From the way things are looking, Yoshi is just going to do little upgrades and tweak as necessary, which means it might be a few more updates before PLD is relevant enough to compete with WAR as a tank.

Tweeks coupled with the warrior nerf, if that puts us even I'm happy with it. I don't want paladin to be overpowered, and I don't want warrior to be worthless. Hopefully there will be a really good balance between the two.

[Tango]

Now I just want to see real shield block testing to find the dlvl affect on block rate and the dmg reduction provided by block.