I'm frustrated by player misconduct...

[Ostia]

He won the shield, and you cried like a baby for it, so what was the issue again ?

[TheVedis]

Just my personal feelings

but i wouldnt be caught dead doing faction leves with anyone i didnt know, that right there is the first problem here.
also assuming you are oweed the piece just cuz someone else cant use it is another issue.


some players may plan on leveling these jobs later, and they may want to use them then, so its on them wether or not they keep the piece.
and even then, if the drop is theirs, it is still theirs regardless.

[Zaene]

Just my personal feelings

but i wouldnt be caught dead doing faction leves with anyone i didnt know, that right there is the first problem here.
also assuming you are oweed the piece just cuz someone else cant use it is another issue.


some players may plan on leveling these jobs later, and they may want to use them then, so its on them wether or not they keep the piece.
and even then, if the drop is theirs, it is still theirs regardless.

Well, I think there's a larger issue present if you don't want to do leves with people you don't know. You can't exactly go around supposing everyone is out there to stab you in the back. Not saying you're supposing as such, but seeing as this is a MMO wanton interpersonal interactions should be condoned not eschewed.

[TheVedis]

Well, I think there's a larger issue present if you don't want to do leves with people you don't know. You can't exactly go around supposing everyone is out there to stab you in the back. Not saying you're supposing as such, but seeing as this is a MMO wanton interpersonal interactions should be condoned not eschewed.

but when someone else gets a drop and you throw a fit over it not being your drop....thats where this issue comes in
and thats what it looks like happened


if you cant solo something, you need help, and the rewards are fair game to everyone in said group unless an agreement is reached ahead of time(such as with shells)

random party = no rules, whoever gets it, gets it, end of story

[Zaene]

I agree. Very good. However, I suppose any talk of values or knowing how to ask politely or be generous has no place then? The very concept of "Random Party = no rules, whoever gets it, gets it, end of story" seems to be a function of the issue of self-centered gameplay.

If I'm playing and I get a drop then Brwhahsdahhahahah it's mine and I get to keep it, screw everyone else! I personally disagree with such a attitude but, I'd rather not this digress into a debate about ethical treatment of other players.

I'll just say, things shouldn't be as they are.

[TessaJalloh]

he got the drop, and you begged him for it. I'm sorry, but i don't sympathise. There are plenty of reasons why he might have wanted to keep it, get it made into the shield and present it to a friend as a gift, sell it to fund his next purchase, hang on to it and use it himself eventually so that he doesn't need to go out and get one later.

Generosity does not need to extend to strangers, if you already have plans for what is rightfully yours. Just state beforehand next time. 'if X item drops, please let me have it, i've been trying to get one.'

Most people will see this, and agree to it before you even start.

[TheVedis]

I agree. Very good. However, I suppose any talk of values or knowing how to ask politely or be generous has no place then? The very concept of "Random Party = no rules, whoever gets it, gets it, end of story" seems to be a function of the issue of self-centered gameplay.

If I'm playing and I get a drop then Brwhahsdahhahahah it's mine and I get to keep it, screw everyone else! I personally disagree with such a attitude but, I'd rather not this digress into a debate about ethical treatment of other players.

I'll just say, things shouldn't be as they are.

I hate to inform you, but it sounds like more of an issue of self intitlement at this point.

When you recruit people and tell them nothing other then that its for a leve(or faction level in this case) you arent telling them anything other then you need help.
You dont tell them you are doing it for the drop, you dont tell them you are doing it for anything specific.
So when the drop does come, do you really have a right to tell anyone who it should go to? Of course not, these are random people, they are helping you complete a leve, not "get a drop" because thats not what you asked them to do.

Its all a simple case of stating what you are doing ahead of time, and setting some ground rules.

You can not blame other players for a lack of ground rules on the part of the person running the leve. And you can not blame a player for wanting to keep a drop that rightfuly belongs to him cuz it was given to him by the loot system, especialy given he wasnt told the leve was being done for the drop to the person running it.

[Zaene]

I agree again, a lack of ground rules does cause problems such as the OP mentioned. I wasn't actually speaking to what the OP was saying however, I was mostly responding to your post.

One again let me reiterate, yes if you form a levegroup and something drops and you haven't explicitly stated that you wanted it, you would not be justified in saying it is yours if it does not fall to you.

However, I think as I mentioned earlier that the issue with players is a sense of self-centeredness in that even if you cannot use it or cannot readily sell it, you'd be more likely to resist giving it up.

Yes, you cannot blame players for a lack of ground rules however, I'd like to think that some players have a heart and will help you if asked.

[TheVedis]

I agree again, a lack of ground rules does cause problems such as the OP mentioned. I wasn't actually speaking to what the OP was saying however, I was mostly responding to your post.

One again let me reiterate, yes if you form a levegroup and something drops and you haven't explicitly stated that you wanted it, you would not be justified in saying it is yours if it does not fall to you.

However, I think as I mentioned earlier that the issue with players is a sense of self-centeredness in that even if you cannot use it or cannot readily sell it, you'd be more likely to resist giving it up.

Yes, you cannot blame players for a lack of ground rules however, I'd like to think that some players have a heart and will help you if asked.

players do help, thats not the issue at hand
players help each other all the time
but once someone wants something beyond that help, thats when players get selfish, as is proven here by the OP

[Zaene]

I feel like a lot of people ITT are just not considering the feelings of the OP. Imagine if you were in such a situation, imagine a drop you really wanted badly had gone to someone else. Some of you may just shrug and go on, but a good many of you would take the steps the OP took.

Also, if the players left you'd be upset to an extent. Let's not flame someone for something you yourself might do. I honestly might feel frustrated. Although, I wouldn't exactly call the concept in question "player misconduct".

I'm attempting to appeal to player's higher senses.