2.0 PLEASE DELIVERRRR!

[viion]

everything requires so many people 8 man is really not a lot of people seeing how ffxi requires 18-36 players and Yoshi-p said that 2.0 would have alliance system if that means 3 party together that 24 players a good enough size for a endgame raid like he was thinking of 2+hours.

but i'm sure in 2.0 your friend can join you it suck that your world is close.

Yeh true, does suck!

But just because XI needed 18-36 doesnt mean XIV should, XI has like 10 times the population XIV does, heck about 30 times more players at its peak... When you compare 4-5 thousand players online at a time compared to XIV's couple hundred, its tough to get things done.

Especially if you live in EU. I was thinking maybe i should have gone to Ragnarok but i heard its torture over there.

If you have hours and hours of your day to spend on game and live in either Japan or America you can pretty much be fine, but trust me your experience is different than a fair amount of other people.

Fortunately, unlike XI (early days), people shout for endgame content so you can get PUG, but ya know, it is just that, a PUG, not always very fun or successful.

I am really hoping they get on board with the whole "Difficulty Scaling" so you can do content without need a strict number of people.

[Zenaku]

Yeh true, does suck!

But just because XI needed 18-36 doesnt mean XIV should, XI has like 10 times the population XIV does, heck about 30 times more players at its peak... When you compare 4-5 thousand players online at a time compared to XIV's couple hundred, its tough to get things done.

Especially if you live in EU. I was thinking maybe i should have gone to Ragnarok but i heard its torture over there.

If you have hours and hours of your day to spend on game and live in either Japan or America you can pretty much be fine, but trust me your experience is different than a fair amount of other people.

Fortunately, unlike XI (early days), people shout for endgame content so you can get PUG, but ya know, it is just that, a PUG, not always very fun or successful.

I am really hoping they get on board with the whole "Difficulty Scaling" so you can do content without need a strict number of people.

ya sorry can't agree on this raids are going to be 25+ players it just the point of endgame right now we doing is not endgame it just random event like garrsion or bcnm stuff that ffxi had. Yoshi-p said they going to be alliance so that mean 24 man raids and he even said ishgard going to have a lot of players pve with dragons that the reason ishgard opening is delay to 2.0 so they can display more then 40 char at one time.

Remember that they be dungeon finder so people can log in and do a quick ifrit or moogle or a 8 man raid without issue or 4 man raid so i don't see that issue anymore but for endgame it should be more then 8,.

[viion]

ya sorry can't agree on this raids are going to be 25+ players it just the point of endgame right now we doing is not endgame it just random event like garrsion or bcnm stuff that ffxi had. Yoshi-p said they going to be alliance so that mean 24 man raids and he even said ishgard going to have a lot of players pve with dragons that the reason ishgard opening is delay to 2.0 so they can display more then 40 char at one time.

Remember that they be dungeon finder so people can log in and do a quick ifrit or moogle or a 8 man raid without issue or 4 man raid so i don't see that issue anymore but for endgame it should be more then 8,.

You have no proof or source on the number of people it will be, or how big an alliance will be. I am pretty sure this has not been confirmed. You also dont know if content will scale or not, or even how it will work.

In GW2 dragon fights can hold 300 people, but do you need that? lol no, because everyone joins in, and it scales. So regardless of who is online, you can at least do it. This is the future. Being able to do shit!

That said, it doesnt matter what you say, you're missing the point that current the game has nearly no players, and if it doesnt step up to have anymore in 2.0, then having 25-30+ people content will just either fail or require same community results as it did was in XI.

In XI, during its prime you could do Dynamis and all end-game content with your LS, then as things died and people got richer, people made shells specifically for Dynamis, and hosted it themselfs. Players had to sort this out, so that might happen again, infact i guarantee it will happen as we already see it similar now with the shout PUG for everything in XIV, having a "endgame".

If the game starts making content requiring lots of people when it doesnt have the population to sustain this, you will begin to alienate a lot of your player base, firstly with Casuals.

[Zenaku]

You have no proof or source on the number of people it will be, or how big an alliance will be. I am pretty sure this has not been confirmed. You also dont know if content will scale or not, or even how it will work.

In GW2 dragon fights can hold 300 people, but do you need that? lol no, because everyone joins in, and it scales. So regardless of who is online, you can at least do it. This is the future. Being able to do shit!

That said, it doesnt matter what you say, you're missing the point that current the game has nearly no players, and if it doesnt step up to have anymore in 2.0, then having 25-30+ people content will just either fail or require same community results as it did was in XI.

In XI, during its prime you could do Dynamis and all end-game content with your LS, then as things died and people got richer, people made shells specifically for Dynamis, and hosted it themselfs. Players had to sort this out, so that might happen again, infact i guarantee it will happen as we already see it similar now with the shout PUG for everything in XIV, having a "endgame".

If the game starts making content requiring lots of people when it doesnt have the population to sustain this, you will begin to alienate a lot of your player base, firstly with Casuals.

if yoshi-p need more then 40 char display at once that added the mobs how many people you think it going to be? I understand the need for casual but sadly this is a mmo there people who don't want to waste there time doing 4-8man boring raids when they could come out with a fun 24+man raid.

I'm sure they release more casual events but yoshi-p said many time he want to add stuff that = more player base and the idea of free company the point of it all is to have raids and events to be done with more players.

anyways we should get back on topic.

[viion]

if yoshi-p need more then 40 char display at once that added the mobs how many people you think it going to be? I understand the need for casual but sadly this is a mmo there people who don't want to waste there time doing 4-8man boring raids when they could come out with a fun 24+man raid.

I'm sure they release more casual events but yoshi-p said many time he want to add stuff that = more player base and the idea of free company the point of it all is to have raids and events to be done with more players.

anyways we should get back on topic.

The 40 display also includes mobs, this is why you cant have big beastmen forts or massive raids, because the display is both PC and NPC. (Even some Environment Objects are PCs).

That is why you need more than 40.

But the Content finder be in place, so hopefully that might work. Maybe, if the population right rises. Right not it wouldnt, just like the search function doesnt work lol. (it works functionally, people just dont use it).

[Gramul]

Aw but I thought that's what you always wanted.

Man, why would anyone want this to be like every other blasted MMO on the market?
You're right. 2.0 displays a better XIV, but it lacks anything really distinct feature wise besides perhaps being able to switch jobs at nearly any given point.

[Zenaku]

The 40 display also includes mobs, this is why you cant have big beastmen forts or massive raids, because the display is both PC and NPC. (Even some Environment Objects are PCs).

That is why you need more than 40.

But the Content finder be in place, so hopefully that might work. Maybe, if the population right rises. Right not it wouldnt, just like the search function doesnt work lol. (it works functionally, people just dont use it).

at the end it's a online game i don't want to play with only 7 other players i want to fight a raid with 24+ players or even a event that take up to 36 playes it just fun playing with more then 7 other players and i'm sure that going to happen in ffxiv. Yoshi-p have said it many time so i don't see why not can't wait for it.

[Elexia]

It's going to be a World of Warcraft with beautiful graphics. Of course it'll deliver.

If it is, XIV is doomed.

[viion]

at the end it's a online game i don't want to play with only 7 other players i want to fight a raid with 24+ players or even a event that take up to 36 playes it just fun playing with more then 7 other players and i'm sure that going to happen in ffxiv. Yoshi-p have said it many time so i don't see why not can't wait for it.

Oh i completely agree, but again, it depends weather SE want to make a few people happy, or everyone happy.

Scalable content is the way to go, you can go in with 40 people, and it be hard as hell, with giant mobs and more mobs and all that jizz jam, or you can go in with 5 people and still be able to do it, as it scales.

[Zenaku]

Oh i completely agree, but again, it depends weather SE want to make a few people happy, or everyone happy.

Scalable content is the way to go, you can go in with 40 people, and it be hard as hell, with giant mobs and more mobs and all that jizz jam, or you can go in with 5 people and still be able to do it, as it scales.

ya but yoshi-p said many time he want to add more content that = more people that the point of the new tool that allow to display more players and mobs. making casual players happy is ok but they dont' last long yoshi-p need to make hardcore player happy also which would play this game for years too come like myself who play ffxi for 6year and going to play ffxiv too there a new ff online game.