Enforcement is in the toilet

[VigilantofStendarr]

I don’t care about mods, plugins, or whatever. All I’m saying is that enforcement is now in the toilet. You have people botting casual mode CC, botting North Horn, botting Cosmic. And honestly, like whatever if these bots don’t interfere with others, but now we literally have bots auto-queueing for casual mode CC and do zero damage, zero healing, just pushing the crystal. It has gotten to a point where it interferes with people’s gameplay. I see literally the same bot botting North+South Horn for probably half a year. Never got banned. Guy has <Pirate’s Displeasure> like a week or whatever when the achievements got launched early. Still botting North Horn to these day. Always on Warrior.

And today I see 6 Warrior move perfectly in sync, dodging the BLU CE roulette perfectly before the spin ever stops, dodging all mechs pixel perfectly, just barely out of the AoE. Lol. What a joke of a game. Enforcement is non-existent.

We have gotten to a point where botters bot with impunity in team content. They used to be afraid of this because they are worried of getting reported. Nah, I guess we all finally realized that there is no enforcement in this game. Unless you tell a limsa e-girl her glam is ugly, or you tell someone to eff off, or you talk about how someone's damage is too low in a fight, then it’s 10-day ban for you, cya (and just to be clear because this forum loves to do gotchas, these are just examples, i did not get banned)

Apparently we now have FL bots as well



And we have keybound brawler bots now as well, LESS THAN HALF A DAY OF THE CONTENT BEING OUT

It's seriously a joke of a game at this point

[VigilantofStendarr]

And I just want to say that this is far worse in DT than ever before. There are two big culprits:

1. Vibecoding. Now everyone and their mom can code up bots.
2. Content isn’t actually fun and achievement hunters are deranged. All these stupid grinds like getting 2000 pots push more and more achievement hunters to bot a title that no one even cares about. Achievement hunters want to get rewards and titles for shit they dont even enjoy doing. Frankly I say we should abolish achievements altogether or at least the stupid ones like The Accursed

[Len_]

Unless you tell a limsa e-girl her glam is ugly, then it’s 10-day ban for you, cya

Aaaaand there it is.

[VigilantofStendarr]

Aaaaand there it is.

Is that your dumb gotcha? Everyone in this game knows it's far easier to be banned for profanity/banter/drama than cheating/botting for years lmao

The basic reason is because bots and shit can only be managed by the STF, and it's a Japanese team, with like 2 people or something. And you can't report it in game, you have to go to the stupid STF reporting webpage to report.

[Carighan]

You could have just opened with the fact that you got temp-banned for being an a**, and now are angry that of course, nobody gets banned but you, sure sure.

You got banned for a reason. Because you acted bad. Don't try to belittle the support team, they did their job.

[VigilantofStendarr]

You could have just opened with the fact that you got temp-banned for being an a**, and now are angry that of course, nobody gets banned but you, sure sure.

You got banned for a reason. Because you acted bad. Don't try to belittle the support team, they did their job.

I did not get banned at all? I'm talking about bots not being banned. That limsa e-girl shit is an example. Maybe a bit hyperbolic, fine, but it's just a fact that bots get banned far less than real players. I'm not talking about myself. Love how you just jump to conclusions.

You gotta be really naive if you think they ever ban those CC/North Horn bots lol

In fact it is actually extremely amusing because I even directly witness just how rarely even RMT bots get banned LMAO. You can basically trade off like 10B gil on an account before it even gets banned.

[Anonemoose]

The OP expressly says he did not get banned but gave examples of what people are commonly banned for to demonstrate why the enforcement priorities of the moderation team are not fit for purpose. Straight away, the usual suspects say "oh so you got banned because you're a meanie and you just want to say the n word".

With such a lack of reading comprehension and an inability to understand the most basic concepts... Sometimes I wonder if these "people" are even human.

[Carighan]

On the other hand, I would not shed tears over the grand majority of mods and every bot being completely banned. I just wish there was a better way of dealing with it than anti-cheat (because it'll do more harm than good), and without destroying the completely benign plugins (like the quality of life ones that Square-Enix themselves pulls inspiration from).

There is, and I mentioned that in the longer thread.

Many multiplayer games base their main automated flagging on server-side "sanity checks". This means that if a player were to cheat or bot, they could only use it for things that an actual player could do, lest the system flags their behavior.

So like, you sit in CE and craft for 10 hours. That's fine. You sit in CE and craft for 41 hours straight. That gets you flagged.
You send commands to the server with 20ms latency and normal animation lock. That's fine. You send commands to the server with 0ms latency and before the animation lock should allow you to, enabling extra weaving actions. That gets you flagged.
A few times a day spent in PvP, you perfectly land that LB on someone just under 50% HP, and nearly instantly. That's fine. Over multiple days, you consistently land it at near-exactly 50% and near-instantly, every time. That gets you flagged.
You accidentally glitch into something and are stuck. You teleport away. That's fine. You spend extended time outside of the geometrically accessible boundaries and move around freely while doing so. That gets you flagged.

And so on, and so on. It requires devs to sit down and define "boundaries" of player-accessible character behavior. But once done, a server-side system can flag characters can leave these boundaries for more than momentary singular exceptions (bugs, flukes, whatever, preverts a lot of noise to filter those). This catches most cheaters and botters, and unlike a client-anticheat cannot be circumvented because it runs entirely on the server.

[Kaurhz]

I have said that...

They don't really care, and unironically a lot of people in the game hide behind the "But the content is bad excuse". So, many people are convinced that the content is a big part of the problem, rather than just accepting that even if the content were good, then they would still bot, e.g., crafting.

You would probably game the content go in the toilet (Well I guess it's already there) far before you do with more general moderation that isn't just bot farms.

[TeresaFortell]

Tale as old as time. During the Eureka era, people were doing the same thing with the pot fates.