FFXIV has a bad player problem.

[Lacrucia]

I have noticed recently that bad players in the community have become more prevalent. I do not mean people that don't know how to play their class properly or people who are new to the game and are struggling to learn how to play. Those players are fine and they are doing their best. I mean players who are disregarding MMO etiquette and doing whatever they feel like regardless of their role. I am talking about players (mainly DPS) who are pulling mobs and bosses when that is not their job. Since coming back to FFXIV after a year long break, I have seen nothing but players pulling bosses while ready checks are up and other players are still in cutscenes. I have seen players outrunning tanks and pulling mobs without checking if the tank or healer are comfortable with big pulls. I have seen nothing but the nastiest players screaming at the tank for being too slow. There was a time when these bad habits were punishable by turning off tank stance and letting those players tank and suffer the consequences, but nowadays it seems that YPYT (You Pull, You Tank) is a banable offense? It counts as being unsportsmanlike and ruining the experience for other players, but these bad players are allowed to just keep doing this and face no punishment? How are they not ruining the experience for the entire party/alliance? And not only that, but when you call out these players for being bad, the entire party turns on you, as the tank, because you're supposed to be the bigger man?

I am so sick of people saying "there is no such role as a puller", that's what the tank is! A certain subreddit has somehow turned into a breeding ground for these bad players where it's just an endless shit-talk of players who play the game properly. I refuse to accept that turning off tank stance specifically because someone decided to pull a boss or mobs before the rest of the party was ready counts as MPK. There is no malicious intent behind teaching a bad player to stop acting like they're the main character. There is malicious intent behind intentionally pulling mobs and then shirking all the aggro onto another player to troll them, which is why Shirk got changed a long time ago to prevent that from happening. That is what counts as MPK. YPYT should not fall under that. Maybe I am alone in this sentiment, and fine, it is what it is and I'm just screaming into the void, but it is truly disheartening to see bad players taking over a game while good players are potentially being punished.

[SoraLuna]

FFXIV does have a bad tank problem

stop lagging behind?

[Thurmnmurmn]

Here's a massive thread talking about this subject.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...threads/456265

It's pretty split on opinions. Personally, I'm ok with dps pulling ahead until someone vocalized an issue with it. Otherwise, pull away!

[Xirean]

The only issue I see here is DPS pulling the boss specifically while others are in cutscene. The rest is a bit of a wash. Have you tried putting in chat at the start that you are likely to go slow? That usually works for me when I'm having an off day.

[SquidzureDragoon]

I always get so sad when people pull bosses while there are others in cutscene. Let people enjoy their cutscene and also get to experience the boss. When they come out of cutscene, they end up in a battle that's already started, in the middle of mechanics and it's frustrating and confusing. At this point, I think SE should put up a baby gate like at the start of the dungeon, at the last boss so that sprouts and people new to duties can enjoy their cutscenes in peace. I just don't think that it's a lot to ask or hard to do to just be considerate of new players to duties.

[Selsix]

If someone pulls ahead I ask them to stop, if they refuse I just leave and blacklist. They're DPS, they can enjoy their long queue. I can do other junk while I wait for dungeon cooldown.

[Thurmnmurmn]

I always get so sad when people pull bosses while there are others in cutscene. Let people enjoy their cutscene and also get to experience the boss. When they come out of cutscene, they end up in a battle that's already started, in the middle of mechanics and it's frustrating and confusing. At this point, I think SE should put up a baby gate like at the start of the dungeon, at the last boss so that sprouts and people new to duties can enjoy their cutscenes in peace. I just don't think that it's a lot to ask or hard to do to just be considerate of new players to duties.

At this point, might as well just get rid of the mobs in general. A ton of people would be happy just fighting the bosses instead.
Not like pulling wall to wall every pull adds that much to dungeons.

[Alice_Rivers]

DPS pulls
Tank switches off stance
Healer suffers
Profit?

[Kaurhz]

Calling a spade, a spade here..

YPYT is lethargic play. You're intentionally not doing your role, which is to keep enmity if you're forcing other people to tank, simply because they pulled.

So yeah, it should be a sanctionable offence.

[FuturePastNow]

If a DPS is ahead of you in a dungeon you are going too slow. Sprint and pull