Why is the FF14 Community So Adverse to Banter?

[CCheshire]

Sigh...why did the topic have to become about me personally? Whether you think my humor is funny, immature, rude, or whatever else isn't really the point I was trying to discuss.

Can we stay on topic for a second? To the naysayers: doesn't it make you even a little curious why FFXIV is so unusually quiet compared to other MMORPGs?

I'm not claiming every interaction in Old School Runescape is amazing, nor am I saying everyone should enjoy harmless trash talk (though I do think its downright rotten to try to get someone banned for it...). I'm asking why spontaneous interaction between strangers seems so much less common here. Even if you dislike my particular way of breaking the ice, surely the broader difference is worth discussing. That's the discussion I was actually trying to have. Reducing it to “OP has bad tact” doesn't really explain why the social atmosphere between these games feels so different.

Edit: And telling me to just join an FC or find a linkshell completely misses the point. Obviously I can join a dedicated social group if I want regular friends to talk to. I don't because I like being a transient. What I think the game is missing is an atmosphere where you can casually talk to whoever happens to be standing next to you without first needing to establish a friendship or become part of some organized community. One of the things I really like about OSRS is that I can walk up to a Forestry tree or wherever and there are already people chatting, joking, arguing about whatever, etc etc. I don't even have to participate. Just seeing that conversation makes me feel like I'm actually sharing a world with other people.

Typically, if you have a negative reputation, esp in a big social DC that means others will avoid you esp if you are prone to trapping them into the ARs or similar content with your IRL relationship problems and they can't leave easily w/o the 30 min penalty. If no one wants to talk to me, then I stop trying, not that I should actually double down like MMO spaces are shared social places for everyone, not so I can be the main character in every convo for the sake of "banter."

Other players don't exist for entertainment if you want to do DF content, then most ppl have other things going on and don't need to be forced to talk to anyone even if you feel bored, then try posting on twitter later.

[JohnLakeside]

Typically, if you have a negative reputation, esp in a big social DC that means others will avoid you esp if you are prone to trapping them into the ARs or similar content with your IRL relationship problems and they can't leave easily w/o the 30 min penalty. If no one wants to talk to me, then I stop trying, not that I should actually double down like MMO spaces are shared social places for everyone, not so I can be the main character in every convo for the sake of "banter."

Other players don't exist for entertainment if you want to do DF content, then most ppl have other things going on and don't need to be forced to talk to anyone even if you feel bored, then try posting on twitter later.

Well...if they really feel so upset by my harmless rez macros, then they can mute me

I think what you're illustrating is the victim mindset a lot of FF14 players have. You say I'm trapping them, but like then just mute me LOL. Like I said, I don't think I've gone a single AR without getting at least one comm for my rez macros. So I know the self-deprecatation enjoyers are out there. This thread is meant to be a discussion, but also a billboard for likeminded people to see that they're not alone and that its okay to not try to be too cool for school and joke around in chat. I'll happily be the lolcow for the sake of doing my MMORPG civic duty of livening up chat.

Anyway, lets keep this thread on topic. Thanks!

[Xuled]

cause nobody can handle banter these days without being "triggered". i have no doubt over 50% of the playerbase is on SSRIs

[Nero-Voidstails]

cause nobody can handle banter these days without being "triggered". i have no doubt over 50% of the playerbase is on SSRIs

I would say 99% that's why I actually stopped roleplaying in the game if it isn't ERP people aren't interested yet they are the first one to be not offended but like if you made the worst crime, if you misgender people.

[Sigma5]

sit lol is another version of sit down, which carried over from halo or counter strike, xbox lobby era lingo, and it is 100 percent an insult. Banter only works if you know the party you're with really well. it doesn't work with randoms unless its not demeaning, which is the assumption here. The xbox lobby era was fun when it existed, but it doesn't now, those people aren't around anymore.

[JohnLakeside]

sit lol is another version of sit down, which carried over from halo or counter strike, xbox lobby era lingo, and it is 100 percent an insult. Banter only works if you know the party you're with really well. it doesn't work with randoms unless its not demeaning, which is the assumption here. The xbox lobby era was fun when it existed, but it doesn't now, those people aren't around anymore.

You say that like its a fact across all games. Go check the Old School Runescape subreddit (the #2 MMORPG in the West behind WoW). You'll see that sort of banter is alive and well there. Heck, even in Valorant when I say stuff like that on mic, only very rarely has someone acted like I demeaned them. Tbh, I actually can't remember a single time thats happened in Valorant.

Bro, its not an insult. Its playful ribbing and it gives them the opportunity to say it back to me when I die. Cmon now. Can we be for real lol.

I actually don't understand how you can sit there and say with a straight face that this type of banter is dead when it obviously is thriving in some of the most popular online games today.

[MediArgentum]

Back when I played A LOT of Mythic+ in WoW, solo Holy Priest (healer), entirely through Group Finder with total randoms, during Shadowlands (despair), I had a macro button keybound to an easily accessible key and all it did was do a /laugh emote at whoever my target was. And female blood elf's /laugh voice? Quite loud and distinct.
And I used that every time on anyone who would die in my dungeon runs.

If I did that in this game, I think I'd get banned, lmao

[JohnLakeside]

Back when I played A LOT of Mythic+ in WoW, solo Holy Priest (healer), entirely through Group Finder with total randoms, during Shadowlands (despair), I had a macro button keybound to an easily accessible key and all it did was do a /laugh emote at whoever my target was. And female blood elf's /laugh voice? Quite loud and distinct.
And I used that every time on anyone who would die in my dungeon runs.

If I did that in this game, I think I'd get banned, lmao

Emoting on dead players is explicitly against ToS lol. So yeah, you would get suspended and then eventually banned if reported. That rule and chat being disabled between opponents is one of the reasons I don't bother with PvP much in FF14.

[CNitsah]

Emoting on dead players is explicitly against ToS lol. So yeah, you would get suspended and then eventually banned if reported. That rule and chat being disabled between opponents is one of the reasons I don't bother with PvP much in FF14.

Yeah, I feel that's one elephant in the room nobody mentioned. SE is pretty strict on what's allowed, and has delivered temporary bans for such behaviour. This is another reason why the the whole banter thing never took off in FFXIV.

[Sigma5]

I'll clarify xbox lobby types and and banter could exist in a chill admin or no admin environment, But those places and becoming less and less common.

Gaming corpos nowdays, are very fun police and anti xbox lobby. You could still try that, but will probably be labeled "hate speech" or "offensive speech" and then you just get unpersoned in that community.

Tread carefully.