Normal editor tools. When?

[Solowing]

The tool I mentioned in the main post (also called Gizmo) has been known at least 30 years. 100% that SE developers used it in their 3D editors to create FFXIV, the game you and me playing right now. They created every model, every house, every location using this tool. Tell me is "evrything sterilized and nothing's impressive" here? Is their work soulles somehow?

And the main question: they used those tools to create the whole game, we ask less than a percent of all of their possibilities, we are not worthy? Or your opinion that other ppls can't control own creative just becaues you think like that?

Here's the direct answer, since I didnt answer it correctly.

Actually it isnt because they spent the time actually building it from the the concept to realization. It respects the process. There is soul because there are no shortcuts to hard work.

Its not about being worthy, its about not having a frictionlwss syatem. A frictionless system isnt good for a game.

Unironically if they added this is it would make it so my houses arnt the investment of time and effort they used to be. If I lose them they would be replicatable in about 15 minutes. Which is nice, until you realize that you remove the investment you remove the care. Why do I care about losing a house that I can re-create in 15 minutes? Thats where my subscription because optional.

[Moon_Rabbit]

Here's the direct answer, since I didnt answer it correctly.

Actually it isnt because they spent the time actually building it from the the concept to realization. It respects the process. There is soul because there are no shortcuts to hard work.

Its not about being worthy, its about not having a frictionlwss syatem. A frictionless system isnt good for a game.

Unironically if they added this is it would make it so my houses arnt the investment of time and effort they used to be. If I lose them they would be replicatable in about 15 minutes. Which is nice, until you realize that you remove the investment you remove the care. Why do I care about losing a house that I can re-create in 15 minutes? Thats where my subscription because optional.

15 minutes?...From weeks to months, the person i knew spent about 1.5-2 month to make her single modded house from 0 till the end. Not just lifting objects yes, but for constant reconstruction in a way to find best option. It was hand-made, there was no automatical things.
Its too fast?...And there is no soul because its not hard enough? I do believe most 3D artits IRL spent less time for same, but we are in a game...so its still not enough i see.

The tools are what makes you an "artist", not the creativity. You're just a player with an idea who needs the shortcut to the end result.Because the process is too hard.

Yes, definitely not enough.

So you are the real artist, mod users no, because of efforts, but not the beauty of design. Idk who even simple users are? Those who don't even using glitches, pbly a demi-gods.

[Solowing]

15 minutes?...From weeks to months, the person i knew spent about 1.5-2 month to make her single modded house from 0 till the end. Not just lifting objects yes, but for constant reconstruction in a way to find best option. It was hand-made, there was no automatical things.
Its too fast?...And there is no soul because its not hard enough? I do believe most 3D artits IRL spent less time for same, but we are in a game...so its still not enough i see.


Yes, definitely not enough.

So you are the real artist, mod users no, because of efforts, but not the beauty of design. Idk who even simple users are? Those who don't even using glitches, pbly a demi-gods.

When you post your screenshot on pin , interest and said that they will be indistinguishable from any other person's plot. Since I'm in the trenches of the housing system, I can tell just from looking at it.I know the tells of a modded house.


Yes , to get my plot from where I began to where it was now was a process of years. However , if you give me that tool the z axis , i can have that done in about an hour. But in doing so , you cheapen the investment. But that would kind of be doing a favor indirectly, because once you strip the investment it becomes extremely easy to let the whole thing go out. Because It no longer has the weight. I could care about something I put a 1000 hour into, but if you make it so only takes fifteen minutes to do , i'm not that invested.

It's no longer

When I look at madden houses, I gauge them differently than I wouldn't normal house when I see out of bounds, housing.I put them also in their own category.
I have the most respect for those who are willing to pay the sweat tax to see that vision through that's what is impressive to me.

A modded house.It's nice but it lacks weight. I'm not saying it's ugly looking or anything, but I cant guage it on the same bar as a hand-created plot It's unfair to gauge someone who is willing to pay the sweat tax against someone who's not willing to pay that tax. So they're two separate categories

Out of bounds, housing is also in its own category as well. Because when you remove the limitations entirely. Then you're not even playing within the same rule set of everyone else.

Correct, friction is the crucible creativiy is tested on.

[Moon_Rabbit]

When you post your screenshot on pin , interest and said that they will be indistinguishable from any other person's plot. Since I'm in the trenches of the housing system, I can tell just from looking at it.I know the tells of a modded house.


Yes , to get my plot from where I began to where it was now was a process of years. However , if you give me that tool the z axis , i can have that done in about an hour. But in doing so , you cheapen the investment. But that would kind of be doing a favor indirectly, because once you strip the investment it becomes extremely easy to let the whole thing go out. Because It no longer has the weight. I could care about something I put a 1000 hour into, but if you make it so only takes fifteen minutes to do , i'm not that invested.

It's no longer

When I look at madden houses, I gauge them differently than I wouldn't normal house when I see out of bounds, housing.I put them also in their own category.
I have the most respect for those who are willing to pay the sweat tax to see that vision through that's what is impressive to me.

A modded house.It's nice but it lacks weight. I'm not saying it's ugly looking or anything, but I cant guage it on the same bar as a hand-created plot It's unfair to gauge someone who is willing to pay the sweat tax against someone who's not willing to pay that tax. So they're two separate categories

Out of bounds, housing is also in its own category as well. Because when you remove the limitations entirely. Then you're not even playing within the same rule set of everyone else.

Correct, friction is the crucible creativiy is tested on.

So, you acknowledge the possibility of aesthetic appeal in a home built by an experienced designer, even with the use of mods. But that's not the most important factor for you.
Because an author spent a couple of months on this house, not a year(for example).
The weight, a counter for a man-hours invested - are your primary measure of creativity, judging by this post and the number of mentions of "hard work" and "friction" in your other.

It seems to me that the majority still wants what is called art, not the Sisyphean labor and a "sweat tax" and thats why we'll never find common ground with you.
I think I have nothing more to add here.

[Solowing]

So, you acknowledge the possibility of aesthetic appeal in a home built by an experienced designer, even with the use of mods. But that's not the most important factor for you.
Because an author spent a couple of months on this house, not a year(for example).
The weight, a counter for a man-hours invested - are your primary measure of creativity, judging by this post and the number of mentions of "hard work" and "friction" in your other.

It seems to me that the majority still wants what is called art, not the Sisyphean labor and a "sweat tax" and thats why we'll never find common ground with you.
I think I have nothing more to add here.

I don't want common ground with a community with a reality warped so far in its progressivism , that it turns horseshoe , and it starts to abhor the very qualities that humans should aspire to. The community is hypocritical. And the ironic part is dawntrail is quite literally a Western audience's wet dream as an ideal as a game. And look how that turned out.

And yet , people cheer for endwalker , for the themes of finding joy through struggle, grit and perserverence. But the moment they encounter struggle , then the message goes out the window. The tools make it easier but the struggle is what gives it weight.

You can't see that contradiction?

The community is dishonest and I'll just point that out.So why do I want common ground with the community that can't see the sheer irony of the expansion they love, for its messages and yet , can't stand that message being posed to them by a player. But yet, absolutely despise dawntrail for being boring and preachy.When this carries the very ideals of the western audience.

There's a reason why years ago I separated myself from the community. The community does not practice it preaches. It's extremely catty and passive-aggressive. Elements you have shown through this thread in the last several pages. You're trying to insult me , but don't have the stones to do it outright lol

The forum agrees with you, humanity as a whole agrees with me. Society wants to shortcut , but they respect the grit and struggle to persevere, we as a people, make up and tell stories about it. No one ever remembers a story about the person who never struggled, nor overcame by taking shortcuts.

I implore people to accept the friction to become the modern day macgyver.

"You will not have the wings to bear you. So you will have to walk," or were the communities tears of endwalker , nothing but emotional stolen valor?

[Solowing]

"Even if we have the perfect machine to mix everything instantly, if the hands that serve it do not know the weight of the cup, it is just a cold calculation Meaning is not programmed, my friend—it is brewed through the friction of the effort

[Solowing]

[El_Tigre]

Intentionally wanting to restrict creativity is stupid and I dunno why some are fighting so hard from upgrading the tools to allow Z axis, float anywhere, rotate any direction and resizing all furnishings would result in far more creativity. A friend of mine named Rinoa in Exodus did this amazing apartment with the existing float glitches but she is always telling me she wishes they allowed free floating, z axis and the ability to rotate any direction as it would have allowed her to use more things in interesting ways. Why should they restrict such creativity and intentionally make it harder thus discouraging people since those float glitches are very time consuming to get precise measurements in place??? My friend took a week to float glitch all of those furnishings for an apartment, it would take her a month if it was a mansion and some here consider that fun????

[Solowing]

Intentionally wanted to restrict creativity is stupid and I dunno why some are fighting so hard from upgrading the tools to allow Z axis, float anywhere, rotate any direction and resizing all furnishings would result in far more creativity. A friend of mine named Rinoa in Exodus did this amazing apartment with the existing float glitches but she is always telling me she wishes they allowed free floating, z axis and the ability to rotate any direction as it would have allowed her to use more things in interesting ways. Why should they restrict such creativity and intentionally make it harder thus discouraging people since those float glitches are very time consuming to get precise measurements in place??? My friend took a week to float glitch all of those furnishings for an apartment, it would take her a month if it was a mansion and some here consider that fun????

and because your friend paid the sweat tax, that gives her creation weight.

The struggle gives it weight, I find your this home impressive because of that. And ya know even if your friend may disagree. But I respect your friends perservence to see that vision through. From someone who knows the grind, your friend has my creative sides respect.

But in doing so you sorta prove my point. The tools were never the limitation, it was the willingness to push through the friction despite it, is the real game.

In the end, convenience is always gonna win out.As long as it keeps the money flowing.But eventually , that is going to backfire , because you're not preserving the soul of the game anymore, but the collective comfort of those who play It. The player say it won't happen.But the reason why I play xiv. It's because WOW sold its soul out a long time ago, and by the time it hit me , it was already too late, and no way to argue back the changes. WoW didn't sell its soul out in a day. It's sold out its soul over years little-by-little bit-by-bit. And one day you'll wake up and realize that, and by then, there's not enough soul left to save, and by then it's too late.

[Moon_Rabbit]

My friend took a week to float glitch all of those furnishings for an apartment, it would take her a month if it was a mansion and some here consider that fun????

There are hardcore gamers who enjoy mastering difficult content. I might even agree with them if it involved combat—where skill, efficiency, and knowledge of cooldowns matter. But when it comes to simply moving objects from point A to point B, that isn't difficulty; it’s a chore measured in hours of invested time.