Normal editor tools. When?

[Solowing]

And you could absolutely still do this with the suggestions made by the OP! Given that they were heavily referring to WoW's housing system, and the way it handles furniture placement, it simply shifts this from "look at how I suffered by glitching all these furnishings to make something neat" to "look at how I managed to combine all of these different furnishings to design something cool".

Some of the furniture designs I've seen have been really cool, along with the process of fitting the designs to make it all work, and just as much qualify as peak creativity. It's just that this version of creativity isn't limited by constantly having to fight a housing system that's supposed to be helping you create your dream interior.

I get item blending.I consider a style all of zone.I kind of roll that into modern.

I've mentioned before.I am a fan of square using the players. Using item blending as a way to have more modern styles added to the game. I'm very much in favor of them adding official versions of item blended items. Saves on the item of economy.

I personally want the "suffering" , because human creativity thrives under limitations. I find housing a conversation for me. The system giving me the occasional no , is just a emergent conversation happening. It's what gives the system its texture.

Sure it's easier with easier tools, but I want the friction I want the questions. If the system doesn't give me exactly what I want , then I get to fight the system to impose the human spirit onto it.

And if I don't fight for it , I just be losing one of the best parts of housing for me. It makes it more accessible but it loses its soul in the process.Because I find the process is the soul

[Solowing]

Sigh. there are too many synonyms for the word "jester".

You know, professional designers and architects work in 3D editors. Designing a cottage for them can be even faster than for you with your glitches ingame. So what, are you telling me their work won't be beautiful enough, or it's will worth less because they don't suffer like you do? Really? Is this how you understand beauty and aesthetics? And so... once we have the same tools in FFXIV, it should somehow devalue our works? Seek treatment.

You are trying incredibly hard to backhand insult me. Lol i'm not even going to address anything else. How many ways do you want to try to call me stupid while avoiding moderation?
I find your perspective harmful to a craft. And brings down the very virtues that humans should aspire to to seek in greatness.

Community can fake a lot of things effort isn't one of them. You're literally trying to talk down to me as a pc housing mod user. As console user is rich.

[Moon_Rabbit]

Yes yes, cool ^_^
The funny thing is that the system you fight was forced to restructure itself under the influence of a competitor like WoW, to please and retaining our interests. The system adapts, and you'll have to adapt with it, whether you like it or not. Conditions must change, otherwise your creativity will stagnate, should be nice life lesson.

If in that future, with better tools, you can't make a better house than you have now, the problem will be in you, not in the tools.

[Solowing]

Yes yes, cool ^_^
The funny thing is that the system you fight was forced to restructure itself under the influence of a competitor like WoW, to please and retaining our interests.
The system adapts, and you'll have to adapt with it, whether you like it or not. Conditions must change, otherwise your creativity will stagnate, should be nice life lesson to you.

What happened to all those creative insults that you were trying to come up with , like frog in the well. Jester., small minded?

You seem to back off , really hard , when called out on your toxic positivity. You're too busy trying to jump in, insult me , then jump back to the safety of moderation lol

Stop posting.You don't have to creativity nor the conviction to just say the truth.

I find being lectured by somebody playing pc mods talking about my efforts as pointless. I find your advice lacks the resilience to see a vision through regardless of what tools you're giving.

You can complain about the tools.I don't care. You keep.\nThinking that i'm saying you always have to do the old fashioned way.

But you are missing the entire point of what i'm saying the tools were never the limitation creativity was , and the willingness to see that vision through regardless of how much work it takes.

You're not a creative , you're curator posing as a creative.

But that's also the difference between me and you , I'll say what I feel while, you're too afraid of the moderation team , but you're still trying to weaponize them if I respond.

I'll stand by my statement you won't

[Moon_Rabbit]

What happened to all those creative insults that you were trying to come up with , like frog in the well. Jester., small minded?

You seem to back off , really hard , when called out on your toxic positivity. You're too busy trying to jump in, insult me , then jump back to the safety of moderation lol

Stop posting.You don't have to creativity nor the conviction to just say the truth.

I find being lectured by somebody playing pc mods talking about my efforts as pointless. I find your advice lacks the resilience to see a vision through regardless of what tools you're giving.

You can complain about the tools.I don't care. You keep.\nThinking that i'm saying you always have to do the old fashioned way.

But you are missing the entire point of what i'm saying the tools were never the limitation creativity was , and the willingness to see that vision through regardless of how much work it takes.

You're not a creative , you're curator posing as a creative.

But that's also the difference between me and you , I'll say what I feel while, you're too afraid of the moderation team , but you're still trying to weaponize them if I respond.

I'll stand by my statement you won't

You came in this thread, constantly whining about "glitches is good" and "old fashion way". But seems like nobody else agree with you, right? Not only with you, but with your perverted definition of a creative too.
You ignoring arguments, copy-pasting same sht like an AI, and when i tried to spoke with you seriously month ago your answer was "LoL". An attempt to repeat it led to exactly the same result. I see who you are and what you are, and no, there is no positive attitude anymore, you are not worthy.

The main topic of this thread is a request for new tools and the fact that you don't like it is your own problem. Complain, cry, you are welcome, but i don't want to leave, im will be happy to see your face after advanced editor release.

[Solowing]

You came in this thread, constantly whining about "glitches is good" and "old fashion way". But seems like nobody else agree with you, right? Not only with you, but with your perverted definition of a creative too.
You ignoring arguments, copy-pasting same sht like an AI, and when i tried to spoke with you seriously month ago your answer was "LoL". An attempt to repeat it led to exactly the same result. I see who you are and what you are, and no, there is no positive attitude anymore, you are not worthy.

The main topic of this thread is a request for new tools and the fact that you don't like it is your own problem. Complain, cry, you are welcome, but i don't want to leave, im will be happy to see your face after advanced editor release.

You think I came here and here to agree with you? Looking for the social validation , I could care less about with this community. I'm stating my truth. And if that makes me dislike or hated , then , so be it.

I remember you as well.I kind of wrote you off because you said something about.Oh, they need to fix the glitch for housing.Because it's not an intended aspect of the game. Completely missing the point that that glitch created an entire emergent style of building.

Out here trying to pull rank. Youre a quality assurance trying to pull rank of a developer. No, your job is entry level. Act like it.

[Moon_Rabbit]

You think I came here and here to agree with you? Looking for the social validation , I could care less about with this community. I'm stating my truth. And if that makes me dislike or hated , then , so be it.

I remember you as well.I kind of wrote you off because you said something about.Oh, they need to fix the glitch for housing.Because it's not an intended aspect of the game. Completely missing the point that that glitch created an entire emergent style of building.

Out here trying to pull rank. Youre a quality assurance trying to pull rank of a developer. No, your job is entry level. Act like it.

Definition of glitch was for you only, the person who cares only about self. Difference between feature and the bug, the 2-d is only for few ppls who know about it. There is no info about glitch ingame, no officisal tutorials, nothing. Only the developer's tacit and shameful consent to its use.

You had 13 years to your creative with the pain, enough is enough. I made this thread and im glad to know that im not a single one who want new possibilities.

[Solowing]

Definition of glitch was for you only, the person who cares only about self. Difference between feature and the bug, the 2-d is only for few ppls who know about it. There is no info about glitch ingame, no officisal tutorials, nothing. Only the developer's tacit and shameful consent to its use.

You had 13 years to your creative with the pain, enough is enough. I made this thread and im glad to know that im not a single one who want new possibilities.

do you understand the definition of a glitch?

Like I said. None of you are creating any new possibilities.You are simply retreading ground.That was already treaded upon.You're not creating anything new.

Like I said , your own house betrays you. I know what the effort it took some of the stuff takes. You can't fake the effort.

You don't have to admit to mods.It's obvious just by looking at your screenshots you do.

But in doing so , you undermine your own argument. You're the one who's limited because you're creativity , purely comes from the tools and not the grit.to materialize that vision despite the friction.

The tools are what makes you an "artist", not the creativity. You're just a player with an idea who needs the shortcut to the end result.Because the process is too hard.

[Bubert]

You can’t be an artist without the creativity.
The house is for you to have not to flex or impress other players.
The same tools that wow housing has won’t take away your creativity. If anything it will increase it. Have you seen so many amazing house builds that on ffxiv will most likely never happen?

If you like to spend 100 hours on glitching a wall then good for you, but not all of us want the same suffering. We want to CREATE AND MAKE OUR HOUSES CUTE.

[Solowing]

You can’t be an artist without the creativity.
. We want to CREATE AND MAKE OUR HOUSES CUTE.

I strongly disagree.

You can't be an artist without the creativity , but you can't have creativity without the friction. Prisoners are some of the most creative people out there because when they have nothing but limitations , creativity takes control.

The house is for me and you are entirely correct on that. But I wanna do it in a way that puts in the extra mile. To put in the grit and determination to attempt to make something that stands above. Through sheer commitment and grit that players arnt willing to do to see that vision come to life.

It does indirectly take away from your creativity.Because you no longer have to flex that creative muscle. The reason why I have to argue is because once you take it away , that muscle just atrophies. And that is a admission from me.

The creative tools on World of Warcraft do not challenge you as much as final fantasy housing system. Ultimate freedom doesn't lead to ultimate creativity. Leads to the Opposite.

Arguing for convenience typically wins out an arguments like these. But I understand this is just one small part. Players have been complaining about the standardization of jobs, not realizing.This is simply the same argument in a different format. It's more accessible , but you lose the soul in doing so. How much of the soul are you willing to give up for convenience before the soul itself is compromised?

Like , I was a big proponent of world flying in world of warcraft , when cataclysms came out. After a few weeks of worldly , I realized how much damage it did. The game , because only the destination mattered once they introduced it not so much the journey. Blizzard realized it was a mistake but it was too late.

Another example for me would be grand theft auto online.The oppressor mark 2. Yeah, it's a convenience tool.It makes flying getting across the map and doing objectives easier. But once you remove the friction by implemented the bike, what's the point of the rest of the game.If you can avoid all the friction points? It's a convenient tool that everyone uses.But the game becomes stale , because there's no variety anymore. Everyone for the easiest vehicle to get the job done.

And I do have to argue this point , because if I don't , I would be complicit in the very thing that gives housing its flavor today. So I don't stand up , my creative mountain gets demolished. And i enjoyment of the climb of the mountain and the payoff of the view at the top. And it gets flattened down to a flat path, nothing feels like an achievement because anything is achievable. But at least everyone can walk it...

I entirely understand your point and perspective. I'm not ignorant to it. But I cant agree to it out of principle. I see your pain, i acknowledge your pain. But the pain is what makes the payoff meaningful.